Wenger defended his tactics, saying: “When we played United at Highbury and lost 4-2 we were outnumbered in midfield and we paid for it so I didn’t want that to happen again. That’s why I put Dennis up front and gave Reyes a free role.”
I thought we lost 4-2 because the worthless Almunia ran out of his goal like a lunatic and gave United a tap in. Also, the hopeless Pascal Cygan was all over the place from start to finish in that match, as usual. Big question, does Wenger need new spectacles?
It doesn’t show much confidence in his team that Wenger thinks World Champions such as Pires, Vieira & Gilberto are incapable of coping with a wide-playing 4-5-1 team, especially with Lauren & Cole as full backs. Why keep these players if, by his own tactical admission, they’re not up to the job? Will this be his tactics every time we face Man Utd from now on? I sincerely hope not.
Where did he think the goal was going to come from playing Reyes so deep with Bergkamp as a lone striker? Were his fingers crossed behind his back as he merely prayed? Well, his prayers were answered, but I don’t think this is the sort of management that will end our horrendous record against Man Utd over the last 9 matches.
This was Wenger’s worst tactical display since Bayern away in the Champions League. Where he decided to play an ultra-attacking line-up despite Arsenal’s dismal record in the competition, whilst already having the deficit of playing Cygan and Clichy in defence. He compounded this fragility by sticking Ljungberg up front with Henry (???), the by-product being there was even less protection to Lauren. Little wonder the tie was completely dead within 65 minutes.
How bad is Wenger tactically? Surely Saturday is the fruition of evidence that I and others have claimed for over 6 months. Will Wenger ever be capable of winning the Champions League as a manager, with any club, not just Arsenal? His tactics on Saturday suggest that despite his genius in buying unknowns and gelling them into powerhouse teams, he is tactically flawed at the very highest level.
The big question? I have no faith in Wenger ever bringing Arsenal European success, but does it matter? Is it enough for us that he has brought us incredible domestic success? I say yes, but hands up who wants Europe. And hands up who thinks there is a hope in hell of achieving it with Wenger in charge?
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May 27th, 2005 at 3:38 pm
Cygan was very good in that game.
Ljungberg was at fault because, as you may have forgot, it was his man (Ronaldo) left open on the far side for two goals.
Campbell was also very poor and responsible for at least two goals, including the crucial first conceded.
But you are certainly entitled to question Wengers tactics and his puzzling comments as I have on my blog. Cheers!
May 27th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
Sounds like you know even better than Wenger. It’s easy to be the wise man after the match.
It never stops amaze me how our own fans been writting off our own chance in Europe. Despite we are under the leadership of our MOST successful manager in our club history, not even Herbert Chapman ever won as much titles as Wenger. Bet these days our oppositon fans would have more respect to our manager.
Will we ever win the CL with Wenger? I say we WILL. And when we do, please don’t join and celebrating with us. ‘Cos you don’t earn the right to.
May 27th, 2005 at 3:56 pm
Last season I thought I’d finally given up hope of the CL, but now - no surprise - I’m again looking for things to believe in. Senderos? The new willingness to try different formations, even if they’re not particularly good ones. The only thing to say about Saturday actually is that - quite undeservedly - Wenger’s daft formation did in fact do the job. My feeling about the CL is that we lack both tactics and belief, and if we had a bit more of the first, the second might follow along. Saturday could be quite helpful in that it’s taught us that we can win no matter how badly, by our standards, we play. I anticipate that we’ll be more defensive next season and that Senderos’s bossiness and spirit will help us a lot. The only snag being, in my view, that he and Sol don’t look good together, and I fear Wenger won’t take much notice of that.
May 27th, 2005 at 4:24 pm
I’ve got two hands up, but not because I think there’s no work to do on Wenger’s part. He’s shown that he knows he’s got to think a bit more tactically. His first major attempt, the FA Cup final, was nearly very costly. But I just don’t know how his idea may have been working in training.
Buying players is one facet of the game. WHO you buy should be informed by tactics that you plan to employ. Up to now there’s little evidence to suggest that Wenger buys players for any other reason than he knows they’ve got pace, can play on the floor, have good attitudes and are correctly priced. A few buys, like Kolo, Lauren, and Ashley, appeared to be attempts to create some depth on the cheap. These guys have played in other positions and are versatile. Clichy appears to be cut from that cloth, as well. And if I remember correctly, I don’t think Sol was a natural defender either. Wenger has a soft spot for versatility, but that may change now that there’s a club that can buy two of the available best at their position in the prime of their careers. Still, I think given a choice between a steady defender and one that can filck the switch into attack, the one that wants to attack will always be his first choice.
Things have changed rather suddenly, and I’m not sure how quickly Wenger feels he needs to react. Also, I find my head in my hands sometimes when he maintains a game plan that seems to be failing, but I don’t know all the facts. Is he aware of injuries that we’re not that may be preventing a tactical change? There was something to that this season.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he went straight out and bought another proven left back to give Lauren competition now that the central defense seems to be stabilizing. And I think a proven striker that travels well would be another great buy. So much can happen over summer, and the kids may have much to say about our problems in the air and down the right.
As for the FA Cup, I maintain that Wenger saw that we’d dropped physically. We just weren’t ready. I wouldn’t be surprised if every man on that pitch was happy with the formation. Again, we just don’t know what they looked like at Shenley.
It should probably also be said that the ManU defeat, when we werew kicked, cheated and robbed, had lasting effects throughout the rest of the season. Ashley sure seems to think so. He also seems to think that we’re better than Chelsea, L’Pool, and ten Maradonas with Lev Yashin in goal. Keep talking, Ash. Atta boy. Who knows what would have happened had we not lost a few key players and taken our streak to 50.
We’ve proven that we can beat the best in Europe. Its our consistency, mental blocks and emphasis on league results that may be holding us back a little. Then again, Wenger may have gotten it all right this season before a couple of key injuries and events finally forced him to take a hard look and think outside his own box.
May 27th, 2005 at 4:30 pm
Had Henry been Fit, the tactics might have worked better. At least we have more than one formation we can use now. I think next season the youngsters will be even better and look for more goals from Cesc.
May 27th, 2005 at 4:37 pm
I’m with Andez, when we succeed in Europe in the next few seasons, you should write a letter of apology to Wenger.
It has been apparent all along that you don’t like him, or think he can manage…
Obviously my hand is up for the best manager Arsenal has ever had.
You belittle him for unwillingness to change tactics, so he changes tactics, WINS the FA Cup, and you rip him even more.
You undoubtedly would rather we played United off the pitch, hit the post, missed our chances, and LOST on Penalties????
Instead, we won the FA Cup.
I’ll take that, and more hardware for Arsene and his men.
Rarely do you get positivity here on this site, regardless of the outcome of the matches. This article just underlies that fact.
FELLOWSHIP OF THE MISERABLE.
May 27th, 2005 at 5:02 pm
I very much admire Liverpool’s famous song “You will never walk alone”. I hope we can have one of ourselves.
How about “We Shall Not Move”? By that I mean - the manager will have this unshakable belief that we will win CL, the players will have this unshakable belief that we will win CL, and the fans will have this unshakable belief that we will win CL…
Having faith on our team does not guarantee we will win it, but without faith you are bounded to lose.
I believe faith can be infectious. Imagine if the players know that even their own fans do not believe they can win it, i wonder how motivated they would be on the pitch? They can be forgiven by thinking “why bother? Our own fans thought we are going to lose anyway”.
On the other hand, if the players find out that their own fans have 100% belief that they can win it, and never stop backing them, I bet they would step up an extra gear and more determined not to let them down.
Perhaps Wenger isn’t the best tactical in the game around, but he can’t possible win all those trophies over years by LUCK. We are not Chelsea which can spend mega millions to buy us a title. Arsene has always had a limited budget. Based on the finanical muscle alone, we had no right to be up there on the top two of the Premiship table every season. But we did. And why?
If AW is so naive in his tactical approach, could we have ever withnessing the breate taking on touch passing football we been seeing over years? What do you call this if it’s not a tactic?
May 27th, 2005 at 5:40 pm
Don’t think you acheive what Wenger has by being inept. But I think he doesn’t change the game plan even when it clearly isn’t working.
Rafa brought on Hamman at half-time when he saw his new fangled formation in the first half had got L’Pool slaughtered. The effect was instant. If it was Wenger I don’t think he would have, probably making his obligatory change at the 70th minute, too late to save the game. (Wonder what’s up, him and the 70th min. change thing). He seldom takes players off before then, even when they’re playing poorly.
Also think his loyalty to Reyes is killing us. I have no doubt Reyes would have missed his penalty, some weak kick, followed by a silly smile, or a gaze upwards as he covered his face with his hands. The best thing Styles did for us was sending him off. Isn’t it telling that when our best young prospects are named Reyes is no longer mentioned, even though he’s still a kid? (see recent poll).
May 27th, 2005 at 5:41 pm
Well maybe, but if Henry had been fit we probably wouldn’t have played that formation in the first place. Wenger tried to put Reyes in Henry’s free-role position, but it didn’t work because Reyes was so targeted by defenders and lacking in the pace to escape them - he’s fast but not a dribbler who can get past people. Worse, he tried to play Dennis in Andy Johnson’s position, which also didn’t work, as the one thing Dennis isn’t is a finisher; he can create but was too isolated to be able to. Van P might have been OK up front on his own but probably Wenger felt he was better left on the bench. The fact is everyone was out of position, so it’s extraordinary that we pulled it off, and it rather gives me heart.
May 27th, 2005 at 7:00 pm
Well I agree with Andez on the Faith issue. But since I live in the US I cant do anything ! i wish I can go to London every weekend and support the gunners every game.
Tactics, I think wenger is a little carefull in his changes. Sometimes you would thank god for this. At leas we won the FA, maybe the changes could have made Arsenal lost it.
When I look at Rafa’s tatic against Milan he played with with what he has to rescue the team. ” Some one who is drowining in the sea will never care about getting wet” .
Against BM in london I thought AW will do something like this, this could have got us the needed 2-0 win or could have given us 4-2 (not good) or we could have lost 1-0 ….
CL is overated ! years ago when only the champions used to play, the CL was a great thing … Now a team get fourth in local a league, plays and wins it. I would not be surprized if Everton make it far or if Sampdoria wins it next season.
As long as I am sure that Arsenal would play a great game and do well in th EPL. Other tournments are just things to enhance the success or the failure the team have in the local league.
CL shoud only allow 2-3 teams (at max) from the EPL, Premeira, Seirra A, (2 max ) for Bund’s liga and the Dutch league and French. others only one. I would like to see more teams from other countries. …
By the way, I just saw on CNN liverpool ranked # 6 in the contenent …its all Bull !
May 27th, 2005 at 8:59 pm
Exacty correct Andez.
The bull**** that is espoused about Wenger being tactically stupid is DUMB.
He chooses to play the beautiful game and with that style and tactic, we have played teams OFF THE PITCH. We have won alot of silverware… as it was pointed out, MORE THAN ANY TEAM IN EUROPE over the past 4 years.
Apparenlty, thats meaningless to some people. He will adapt some. He will learn from his mistakes. He is a very intelligent man, and an outstanding coach. I expect AW and his managing to grow and evolve just like a good player does.
If you aren’t happy with the success the team has had, you are criminally insane!
May 27th, 2005 at 9:01 pm
You do realize that Rafa made changes due to his team being absolutely EMBARRASSED in the first half, AND because of injury. It was not all master-stroke / genius!
Wenger needs to bring people on a bit sooner to give them a chance to get into the match, I do not disagree… I believe he will look at the tape and learn and evolve.
May 28th, 2005 at 3:41 am
i know everyone is entitled to his opinion blah blah blah but seriously this is one of the worst articles i have ever read. if wenger hadnt changed his tactics u wud have hung him for not trying sompin diff…he tried sompin diff and succedded in the sense of winning the cup and u hang him too…vot the hell!!!
May 28th, 2005 at 3:42 am
from ur comments it wud seem ur a tactical genius at football y dont u manage arsenal…and atleast suggest vot tactics we shud be trying…all u do is criticize!!!lets c some tactics frm u sir
May 28th, 2005 at 5:11 am
Danny,
You have made the CL your holy grail, for whatever reason, but it is not the indicator of the best team in Europe year after year it is NOT won by the best team in Europe.
Milan, Porto, Liverpool were the last three winners. All three are good teams, and all three enjoyed a certain amount of good fortune to achieve their victory.
But you are blind to the fact that LUCK plays a large part at this level and the difference between all the sides competing in this competition is minimal, they way you make it sound under Wenger we are the Hartlepool United facing Barcelona.
Did you ever follow Wenger at Monaco? If you had you would have seen many different tactical formations, he even went for a target man for a number of years (Mark Hately).
He has tried them all and his knowledge and experince has brougfht him to this method of playing. 4-4-2 might sound old to you, and is easy in simplstic terms to dismiss but not the way we play it, the movement and interchanging of people within the system is second to none.
So banging on about his inflexibility is just wrong, you talk about tactics a lot but I don’t think you understand a thing about them.
If you are going to change from 4-4-2 you need players who can do that, we don’t. Part of that is down to Wenger’s buying policy, but again this misses the point. Managers want to get to a stage with their team that forces the opposition to change their tactics, when you have reached that point it is all about fine tuning, not wholesale changes.
If you play a system for years on end you get better at it, with fine tuning, it becomes second nature and even harder to beat becaue you create an almost telepathic understanding between the players.
If you change your system week in week out to suit the opposition you can never hope to get near the level of football we’ve been playing for so long now.
I have had the privilige of talking to a number of people in football, without exception Wenger and the way the team plays is held up as an example of how the game should be played.
PLEASE STOP BANGING ON ABOUT SOMETHING YOU DON’T FULLY UNDERSTAND.
May 28th, 2005 at 7:18 am
Can’t help but laugh out loud when I saw the title of this article: Wenger’s mystery tactics unearthed……… by who? A guy who knows nut about football.
May 28th, 2005 at 9:35 am
Hope so…
May 28th, 2005 at 12:52 pm
OK, but there IS a problem with our performances in Europe: we haven’t done ourselves justice - no one can deny that - and in some games we’ve played very badly indeed. Whether this is because we’re spooked by the competition or whether it’s to do with the formations of our opponents (which are often unfamiliar and hard to break down), I don’t know. My guess is it’s mainly the former, but perhaps the best way of acquiring more self-belief would be to play a more tactical game. Just the effort of doing that could take their minds off the feeling that they’re jinxed and powerless to change things. Take the game away to Chelsea last season. If you were there, you won’t have seen this, but on tv we got a view of the players’ faces in the tunnel. They looked as though someone had run over the dog, and I knew from that moment that we were doomed. What had happened, I don’t know; I’d guess Thierry was injured in the warm-up - he did nothing and came off a bit after half-time - but whatever the problem, mentally the whole team just seemed to give in. A change of tactics, a change of formation, could have rallied them; as it was, they they were stuck with a system without the player around whom that system revolves - Thierry - and their heads dropped as though fate had dealt them a cruel, irresistible blow. No, two years ago, we didn’t have the players to enable us to change the system, but now, with van Persie - who could, I think, play up front on his own - we have, and with any luck we’ll be buying a serious target-man too. What Saturday showed us is that even with 3-4 players out of position we can win by playing a tactical game, because the tactics gave us determination, and when they worked, we acquired some belief.
May 28th, 2005 at 5:35 pm
That we have underperformed in Europe I agree, it is why I think so many people go on about succeeding in the the CL. They feel that we’re good enough to do it, but can’t understand why we don’t. The thing is, a lot of very very good sides don’t win it.
When we drew with West Brom at Highbury this season, they scored with virtually their only chance of the game even though we mostly outplayed them and created many many chances. Can you tell me how that is any different to what happens in a CL game against teams like Rosenborg. It happens, sometimes inferior opposition play to a game plan that pays off. The only difference is that we are less used to the opposition we play in Europe and they are better than the average team in the Premiership. But in all honesty, other than the top 10 teams in Europe who have deeper squads, the quality gap is minimal.
I remember the game you mentioned against Chelsea. It’s haunting actually, because if we’d beaten Chelsea I’m sure we’d have got to the final. It’s one of the biggest regrets I have in that we didn’t make more of the fact that they played against 10 men for the last 15 mins of the game at Stamford Bridge.
I don’t know if you live in London, but if you don’t then you won’t have felt the build up to the game. I’ve never seen anything like it for bias towards Chelsea, The Evening Standard even had a ’save Ranieri’ campaign going. It seemed like the whole country went for Chelsea and that seemed to galvanise their team.
We definitely ran out of legs in that game, and some of the players played the last 15 minutes as if they took it for granted we’d go into extra time. But again, I stress, it had nothing to do with tactics. Unbalanced by losing to United in the Cup, tired, perhaps the Save Ranieri campaign but tactically there was little wrong. That and Gronjkaer, played the best 45 minutes of his entire career and we went out. That’s how it has been for us in that competition.
That we are over reliant on TH, I agree, but every team relies on one or two key players. And who better to rely on than the best striker in the world. We rely on TH and PV like Cheslea rely on John Terry and Frank Lampard they dictate the style of the team. Not even Chelsea can adequately replace them if they are missing for an important game, and I doubt if Mourinho would change his tactics if the were missing.
I don’t think it was a bad thing that Wenger tried something different. It certainly caught Fergie out, and in the end, we won which is what matters to the players. And I hope that puts an element of doubt in opposition manager’s minds when it comes to preparing to play us ,because unless you’ve got the equivalent of Ronaldo and Rooney to play down the flanks you won’t get much change out of that formation which is something that can be employed in Europe. But I agree that if we are serious about playing that way regularly we need a proper target man to do it with and that also means dropping TH from the starting line up.
May 28th, 2005 at 5:48 pm
I’m echoing Stag here (appologies) but there was no masterstroke the change was forced on Rafa.
The intended change was to get Traore off, because he was having a complete ‘mare. He only stayed on because Finnan got injured.
Hamman played brilliantly, and so did most of the Liverpool team and part of the reason for it was because they were so wound up by the Milan players celebrating and singing like they’d won the thing at half-time.
The 70th minute thing is down to Wenger’s belief in physiology and that a fresh player will have the biggest impact against players who have played over an hour at full pelt. Changes at half-time are less effective because they opposition is rested.
Our game is based on speed and power so the timing if the change is perfect in terms of giving the new player the best chance to make an impact.
As for your opinion on Reyes, I think you’re wrong. People forget that he almost scored the opener in the final against United and had he been more comfortable on his right foot I’m sure would have done after rounding Carroll.
The boy will come good, and you’ll be wearing his name on the back of your shirt in a few years time.
May 29th, 2005 at 5:01 am
Yes, I’m in Islington so I do remember the Chelsea bias. Just before the game, Ranieri was shown on tv saying he was becoming increasingly confident. ‘Why so?’ he was asked. ‘Sir Alex, ee says we will win.’ Studded pause: ‘Ee eez a great man.’ It depressed me all right but I don’t imagine the build-up could have affected the players. And I don’t buy the thing about luck. Once, twice, three times, maybe, but year after year? Seems to me the downside of Wenger’s commitment to beauty is that it has restricted our options and, therefore, left us vulnerable to bad luck (i.e. injuries, tiredness, etc.). We need greater flexibility, for a whole number of reasons, though how we achieve this depends obviously not just on who we buy, but - harder to organise - on how they turn out. Presumably Reyes and/or van P were meant to be the new Dennis but in fact van P now looks like a more central striker, and I’m not sure where Reyes is going to end up - in Pires’s place or will that be Quincy? We used to have a box-to-box torpedo in Vieira, but with Cesc we’ll be getting a playmaker, a new style for us. Change is happening anyway, and I have a feeling Wenger is quite pleased that it is. A new challenge, a new aesthetic, etc.
On Robinho: everyone assumes that when European nobs turn up at Santos that’s who they’re watching, but it occurs to me that it would be more Wenger’s style to be after some little kid on the bench. Which one, I wonder?
May 29th, 2005 at 5:19 am
I can only assume that your continual snivelling is out of spite because AW has sacked the American youngsters this week. But clearly they weren’t good enough.
I didn’t see anything wrong with the tactics in Munich, only the side. Cygan has been the worst player I’ve seen in an Arsenal shirt for a long time, and has neither the pace nor tactical awareness to support his team mates in a modern football match, let alone the best team in Germany.
To me he’s been Wenger’s only major mistake, and I hope to hell he’s already back in France looking for a job, because we sure as well won’t get anything if we try and sell him.
As for the rest of your comments, no doubt you were cheering when we destroyed Milan, Deportivo, Juve, as we have done on our day. But I doubt it. You just don’t like Wenger and you’ve got your head up the arse when it comes to the beautiful game.
If Brian Clough knows a great manager and team when he sees one, why the hell should anyone listen to your crap?
As for the cup final tactics, only a LOSER is happy losing a final and playing the “better” football!
Cheers,
Desert Gooner
May 29th, 2005 at 10:08 am
Update on Robinho on Sunday.He has admitted he’s already in talks with Arsenal and wants to play alongside TH. “It’s not everyday a club like Arsenal come in for you” was the quote… 14 million is quoted as the price, we’ll see.
The People reckon we’re in for Atletico Madrid’s Fernando Torres, at 20 million. He’d be perfect for us as the target man. Very intelligent lad too judging my the interviews he has given to the press.
May 29th, 2005 at 11:56 am
You’re kidding! But it’s sacrilege to make him spend two years (or however long it takes for a work permit) running about on some mud-patch in Belgium. I like Torres too but I read an article somewhere - the Guardian? - where he said he really, really didn’t want to move.
May 29th, 2005 at 9:16 pm
AG
I have to agree with your views on Reyes. He was given his chances but has not imposed himself (especially the big games) like a Robben or a Ronaldo. There is no doubt he has the talent but it seems the EPL does not suit his game. I hope RM comes in with a good offer for him and we can use the money to bring in a few proven players. I also like Wenger to give Quincy a run in the first team next season. He maybe unproven but his speed and trickery can trouble quite a few teams.
May 30th, 2005 at 3:37 am
The current ruling is that he has to have played in 75 per cent of his national side’s games to gain a work permit if he is non-European. He doesn’t come close to that.
I know he’s a great talent but I’m wondering of he’s what the side really need. He’s very small and a slight build, he also gets whacked all the time in Brazil for taking the mick with his dribbling and step-overs (a la Ronaldo) so u can imagine the treatment he’ll get in the Premiership.
I read the Torres article you refer to, but he has also said that he would leave if it would hlp the lub financially. I think that interview came out before the fans invaded a training sesion and forced the players to lock themselves in the changing rooms until they were cleared, it’s just the sort of thing that will drive players like him away.
There was also a really good piece about him by Times columist Gabrille Marcotti (rapidly becoming one of my favourite footie journos) which went into great depth abot the type of person he is, the morer I read the more I felt he fitted the profile of the player who Wenger needs. Another Spaniard would also cement the Cesc Reyes influence in the side in that as compatriots they would help each other on and off the pitch as the French do.
May 30th, 2005 at 5:48 am
Agree about Gabriele Marcotti - terrific recent articles on the Ultras and that poor Nigerian kid who’s allegedly been pressured into signing for Manu. I even occasionally listen to the ghastly talksport on Monday evenings just to hear him.
May 30th, 2005 at 6:50 am
Totally agree about TalkSport, started off so well, then went downhill v v quickly.
Btw, I wouldn’t feel too sorry for the Nigerian kid, as ever it’s money that is the determining factor behind this story and, surprise surprise, Chelsea have offered more.
May 30th, 2005 at 3:00 pm
Thanks for all your misinformed, ignorant replies to my post.
A few things to put you straight.
1) To the moron above, I am not American, I have never been to America, I was born in London.
2) It is not up to me to suggest new formations to Arsene Wenger. First he would not listen, and second I don’t have the experience. All I can comment on is what I see with my own eyes, which is bad tactics and very little belief from the players that they can actually win the competitiiont. Don’t take my word for it, WATCH THE GAMES and LOOK AT THE FACTS, they prove that I am 100% justified to criticise this aspect of Wenger’s management.
3) Try to differentiate between the two when I say that Wenger is tactically inept in EUROPE, and do not equate my criticism to the Premiership, where I believe his tactics can rarely be questioned.
4) The Champions League is NOT my holy grail . I have merely suggested that Wenger is not tactically astute enough to win it, but I am pefectly happy, if not ecstatic, with the domestic success he continues to bring the club.
5) Only a loser sticks his head and the sand and ignores a problem that is clearly affecting the teams success in a particular area. If you don’t care about the Champions League, fair enough - ignore the obvious weaknesses, and blame it on bad luck. Personally, I’ve never heard of anything so stupid in my life as Arsenal’s reason for not winning the Champions League being down to bad luck. Arsenal never even get far enough to have bad luck, as they are nearly always out by the quarter final.
I know that you like to paint me in a bad light, but at least I look at the problem, and there IS a problem, and try to get behind what’s going wrong. All you do is criticise my opinions, and then hypocritically fail to do anything other than substantiate your comments.
So, please take your head out of your arses, try to admit that Wenger is not God almighty - he has his faults despite everything he has done for Arsenal - and then maybe we can discuss Arsenal’s terrible underachievement in Europe under a more sane, analytical, and objective atmosphere.