Before being stretchered off due to a crunching tackle by John Heitinga, Robin van Persie scored another late winner to clinch the Amsterdam Tournament for Arsenal, as the Gunners defeated Ajax 1-0.
Van Persie’s 87th minute goal was enough to claim the Gunners’ second trophy of the pre-season. In the space of two weeks, Arsenal have now beaten Inter Milan, P.S.G., Lazio and now Ajax. Not that the pre-season means anything other than preparation, but victories over class sides such as those can’t do anything but boost confidence ahead of the season opener this Sunday against Fulham.
Speaking of which, it’s still not certain whether the match against Fulham will be televised here in the States. Some sites have it listed as being shown on DirecTV’s Setanta Xtra at 7AM ET on Sunday, while some sites don’t have it listed at all. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
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August 6th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
I figured with it being a 7am kick-off, that it would be on Fox.
I don’t enjoy watching it on the computer in Chinese! But it beats not watching the match at all!!
Greatly looking forward to Football returning for real this weekend. When does Barca start anyway?!!!!!!!!!
hahahahahahahaha!
Roll on Sunday.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:49 am
So Stag..given a choice..would you rather watch Henry at Barcelona score a hatrick or Arsenal equalize with a Clichy header in the 92nd minute against Fulham for a 1-1 draw??
@MikeK: BTW who moderates this stuff..maybe you could delgate a bit of the moderation to people here. Coz right now there’s not much to write about but once the season starts there’ll be much more IMO.
August 7th, 2007 at 4:18 am
And how about whoever’s running it does something about the layout - it’s terrible.
August 7th, 2007 at 6:34 am
The layout as in if ur talking web page design is okay…but its a bit funny. I mean ..why do we have to write a page and save it in Drafts and wait till it gets picked up?? Its a bit complex …dont you think? I mean ..I dont even know what happened to the post? Sure now I know but the “Submit news” thing which said..”There are 5 submissions before yours” was much clearer IMO.
I quite like the new page design though…with just 20 posts on a page. A lot of people here dont though. Maybe there should be an option to drop down and allow the user to select :
1.How many posts on a page?
2.Top to bottom or bottom to top sorting….
Anyway I’d ignore all that if posts got posted on time and I knew what was happening with mine. That really needs to be fixed ASAP if possible….Thnx!!!
August 7th, 2007 at 7:18 am
The site is best viewed using Mozilla Firefox. It looks great when using that browser. Internet Exploder is not the way to go. As for the posts, well, they need to be approved by an admin, and right now there four admins, but seemingly, I’m the only one doing it. I have two new admins in mind, and I’ll be looking to get them involved before the end of the week.
August 7th, 2007 at 7:21 am
My personal favourite of ArsenalAmerica design and layout was that one when I first joined this site, around 2004 I think. I think the old regulars here like Stag, Danny would remember - under every comment, u also got “sub”-comments hidden under it. So on each page you actually get to browise through lot of comments. Do not need to click “show all comments” all the time.
I also like that logo design on the top of the home page, when ArsenalAmerica is still combined with Canada. It was pretty class.
And also that TOP LIST feature as well. ‘cos they showed the most-read story and most commented post.. as some of them were old posts, so when u read it again, you can see how people’s point of view have changed over time!
August 7th, 2007 at 7:41 am
Andez, I personally thought that the earlier design was hideous, as did the web-designer I brought in to do the update. You guys only remember it fondly because you got used to it. You’ll get used to this version as well - just in time for us to change it! :p
As for Canada, well, since the inception of Arsenal Canada a few years ago, we’ve had to drop any references to Canada in any of our official logos, literature, etc.
August 7th, 2007 at 8:16 am
Yeah I never liked that old design either..you could see only 1 comment at a time and I could never figure out who replied to who ..here its much clearer IMO
… The site looks nice ..maybe coz I never use IE anyway 
August 7th, 2007 at 8:30 am
Mikek, I have the following suggestions on site improvement:
- Let users be able to submit posts automatically to the site. To prevent abuse this would only work for users who have a high number of comments or previous articles…so newer users would still be “edited” … but this will be less work for you!
And to prevent “over-crowding” of articles … there could be a rule that only 1 or 2 articles per day will show on the site.
- Put the most recent comments up front and increase the limit of comments per page from 20 to 50 or let the user decide himself.
August 7th, 2007 at 8:39 am
Now, back to football:
Our first 6 games:
Fulham (H)
Blackburn (A)
Man City (H)
Portsmouth (H)
Spurs (A)
Derby (H)
I think with our current squad we can take: 3, 1, 3, 3, 1, 3 points (14 out of 18) which isnt bad.
But if we can take an extra 2 points from the Blackburn game and score 16 points and Chelsea and Man U have a shaky start to their season we could be in the big-time.
August 7th, 2007 at 9:09 am
Interesting article…..I believe it’s spot on…….Comments?
http://www.sportingo.com/football/rvp_cesc_fabregas_can_lead/1001,4300
August 7th, 2007 at 9:13 am
Fred,
I think that might be a bit optimistic, but what the hell, the season is getting underway, the kids have looked good in preseason, RvP looks in great form, Dudu looks like a great add….
…but if we’re going to be optimistic, can we take 3 points off Spurs?
GO GUNNERS!!!!!
August 7th, 2007 at 9:56 am
actually its not that optimistic just trying to “reason” out which we should take.
- fulham and derby “should” be “walkovers” especially at home if we are efficient enough.
- man city have tons of new players who wont have gelled so i dont see why we shouldnt take 3 from them at home.
- portsmouth at home would be tough but still …. can they be better than ajax? i think we “should” take 3 from them.
- as for blackburn its hard to say especially away, but we did take 3 points from them last season on their ground….so crossed fingers there.
- as for spurs, its safest to just mark it as a draw. i doubt we will lose there though. we havent lost to those lot in about a decade now.
August 7th, 2007 at 9:57 am
What needs change
- recent posts first, so that you don’t have to scroll down much or show all
- nested comments, to follow conversations
- show X number of comments in one page (user option maybe)
Thanks for the good job!!!
August 7th, 2007 at 9:58 am
This season, we will know who are the winners in this side. I have always felt that we didn’t have enough. Players like RvP, Cesc, etc. are ready to step up.
August 7th, 2007 at 10:07 am
RVP is going to have an awsome season. This guy was Arsenals leading goal scorer last season and missed the end of it…
I like the fact he is tempermental and will go for a revenge tackle on an opposing player. Even if he does get into trouble, thats pation for the game
August 7th, 2007 at 10:32 am
@nipuna - We wanted to move away from the nested comments - it often got so bad that the page wouldn’t load if there were more than 50 comments! We do limit the number of comments displayed to 20 per page. It was decided to leave them in chronological order so that someone new to the article could view them as they progressed instead of having to refer back to a comment made earlier in order to make sense of the latest entries.
August 7th, 2007 at 10:37 am
I think we all agree that aesthetically the forum looks nicer but at the end of the day having to actually use it is a pain in the arse (or ass as you Americans say) and it needs changing.
Personally I would rather it looked like crap but was user-friendly than the other way around, which is why I preferred how it was before.
So yeah, as Nipuna saiys, recent posts first, all on one page and the opportunity to edit posts - that surely should be a priority.
I also would prefer them nested, don’t understand why this should screw up a web page, rather than ignoring it you should look into why it was happening - probably something simple.
August 7th, 2007 at 10:42 am
We’re going to look into an option that will allow you to toggle between nested comments and having them listed chronologically.
August 7th, 2007 at 10:44 am
BTW - It’s purposefully hard to get an article submitted. We don’t need 50 posts about the same subject showing up all of a sudden. They need to be vetted, and the way to do that is to allow submissions that require approval from administrators. Admittedly, there are too few administrators, but I’m working on that.
August 7th, 2007 at 10:55 am
LDE…
I will watch more Spanish football now than previously, and I will want Henry to do well. He will score a lot of goals this season. No doubt about it.
But at days end, while I watch for Henry, Kanu, Pires, Sol, Lauren, Vieira, and many others that have brought me joy via the Arsenal… I don’t care whether their teams win or lose or draw.
If Arsenal lose (or draw with Fulham!)… then my day is soured.
I don’t think we have a chance to win the league and I think we are unlikely to get any trophies this year. Thats just my opinion. But I would love to be wrong, and watch the young squad mature before our eyes and surprise many of the pundits and supporters around the world.
Thats the difference. I care whether we win, I don’t care about the teams that some of my favorite non-Arsenal players are working for.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Thanks Mike, if nested is not possible, then hopefully recent posts first can be done.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Cheers Mike
August 7th, 2007 at 2:01 pm
We’re gonna win the league, FA cup and champions league, the Lizard people told me last night, the ones who live under my bed…
But seriously this year it could be a bit barren, maybe the league cup but the title will not be ours.
August 7th, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Mike, whatever the design of this site it is, it’s still the BEST! at least i have been a “supporter” of this site for a few years! thks for all the good work!
August 7th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
I believe we will start off the stronger of the top 4 teams from last year. Manure are going to miss Saha and just don’t know it yet. Chelski have injuries in droves. Liverpool have overhauled their entire squad. With that, if we can have some consistency then there’s no reason we can’t challenge for the title this season.
It’s easy to say that Man Utd and Chelsea are favorites. It takes some balls to come out and say that we can challenge and possibly win the title. Well, I’m going to say it boys. We can do this. If I’m honest, my main concerns are the likes of Spurs, Newcastle, and Everton. I believe that one of these teams will assume a position to break into the top four come season’s end. Time will tell.
I have a theory on Arsenal’s title chances and will try and submit a new thread on what it is tomorrow.
August 7th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Can’t see any side breaks into the top 4 for the next 5 or 10 years IMO. Spurs been talking about the top 4 for years, in fact, they can every much change their name to TOPFOUR HOTSPUR, but everytime their best chance of breaking into top 4 is the summer, when there was always “hope”.
The way i see it, unless a sugar daddy in the Roman A scale comes along, unlikely any side will be able to seriously challenging the top 4.
like i said before, to be among the top 4 sides, u gotta have confidence to take points of the midtable, bottom table sides in a REGULAR base.
Say, pairing Spurs Vs Newcastle or Aston Villa or Everton or Blackburn or Man City or West Ham… can any one of those side have the ability to take 3 points from each other in a regular base? however money they had spent during the summer.
When Spurs takes on Newcastle the likes, would the Toon and the rest pay as much respect to Spurs and just sit deep and defend, happy to just collect one point?
The way i see it, they would just go on and cancel each other out throughout the course of the season. While Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool had too solid a foundation for them to shake it. They may suffer a set back or two throughout the season, but over the course of 38 matches, QUALITY always prevail.
August 7th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Andez, to slightly recast your point, the top 4 are the top 4 because they are better run, and for that reason it will take a while for another team to break in. Some of those teams you named have got more money recently. Spurs, Villa, Man City and West Ham. Perhaps not Abromovich money, but money. But who will do something with it? Who can build a foundation to propel them for the long term? Man City and Newcastle have been spending for a while, with no apparent progress. Blackburn and Everton don’t have the money to make the jump, but they might have business side. Things are looking up for Villa, or at least not down, since what’s his name sold.
Spurs is an example of how hard it is to break in to the top 4, because for the past two years they have had a decent manager, collected a decent set of players, money, and decent money managers (I think). And they still fall (just) short of the top 4. But if they stick with what they are doing for a couple more years, I think they might make it a top 5, rather than a top 4.
Of the 4, I think Liverpool and Chelsea are more likely to fall out than us or ManU. Liverpool is better suited for the Champions league. They have spent and spent and spent, which suggests that they are not so good (efficient) at buying the right players. Chelsea is unstable, nothing that could happen there would suprise me, except calm and united - meaning Mourinho, Abramovich, Kenyon, and the football director.
August 7th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
By the way, I have been trying to sign up for premier membership for weeks and I always get “Error 404 page not found.” When I mail mikek@arsenalamerica.com, it bounces. Is there some kind of secret handshake I missed?
August 8th, 2007 at 7:00 am
Money has a lot less to do with a top four finish than you might think. Take Arsenal for instance. We’ve a completely different team from three years ago and without spending big we’ve still maintained our status as a top four team.
It comes down to familiarity and consistency. Milan finished in the top four despite that points deduction. Not only that but dominated Man Utd and Liverpool enroute to winning the CL final.
Was it because of the money? No but because the same guys have been playing together for several years at Arsenal and Milan. It’s easier to intergrate players in onesies and twosies than to bring in new players in droves.
August 8th, 2007 at 7:10 am
when I said a “sugar daddy” in Roman A scale, I meant MASSIVE $$$. That a team could virtually buy an entire new team like Chelsea did when Roman first arrived. I think they bought more than 11 players in one season.
but those kind of spending spree is unlikey to ever happen in the future.
I made a point long ago the success of Man U, Arsenal today are down to years, and decades’ well-management. Therefore our foundation are very solid. Too solid for a side like Spurs which could just squeeze us out of big 4 just because they had spent a fortune on new players.
August 8th, 2007 at 7:12 am
also the MAIN reason the top four remain apart from your reason joshuad is: the managers!
ferguson, mourinho, wenger, benitez are simply and by FAR the best managers in the country.
let graeme souness or some other random folk manage arsenal or even chelsea and you will probably see us PLUMMET to 8th or 9th place.
that is why i feel so so sorry for Juve….they hired Ranieri to take them back to past glories?? LOL.
August 8th, 2007 at 7:16 am
PS: isnt it just hilarious that gallas has turned from “stag” to overly-positive-pete in just a few weeks? he must have seen something in training/pre-season?
or maybe he is now aware that he might be the weakest link in our defense and therefore needs to cover that up with the right noises!
August 8th, 2007 at 7:18 am
The transfer news seems to have dried up. My hopes of getting a left-sided winger are receding with every passing day.
August 8th, 2007 at 8:10 am
Fair enuff Stag
.. @nipuna: I wouldnt be surprised to see AW use Gibbs or even Mark randall there in an emergency ..as things stand he’s going to go with Mozart/Hleb/Walcott on the LW and if he’s feeling really positive ..maybe Eduardo.
August 8th, 2007 at 8:15 am
1 more thing…why is the current design bad…I’m not talking aesthetically at all here. I’m saying …In the nested comments interface we had to look into each comment to see who replied to each comment and go back and back and back ..then move on to the next group. Here its so much simpler….and you can click on the last page number like page 8 to go to the most recent post.Plus there’s a max of 20 posts on one page so you have to scroll for about 2 seconds to get to the bottom. So personally I like this one better — much better. Apart from the “SUbmit news” thing ..which is a mess. But then again thats just me
August 8th, 2007 at 9:53 am
Problem is you can’t reply to individual people easily, or the subject goes off topic and it’s difficult to get it back on. If a topic has 100 posts and I go to the last page I only see about 5 of them, then if I click “show all” instead I have to scroll down half a mile. The whole thing is a mess in my opinion.
August 8th, 2007 at 10:27 am
I suggest you guys to leave stag alone, that way we will have at least 30 posts less :))))))
August 8th, 2007 at 10:32 am
@greg - My email problem should have been fixed last week. Please try resending. Although, to answer your question, we’re not really sure what the deal is with the 404 error because it really seems to be about 50/50 between those that get an error, and those than can sail through the enrollment process. If you can’t get past the error, simply log into PayPal, and send the $20 payment plus PayPal fees to treasurer AT arsenalamerica DOT com. It will come back telling you that it has been sent to Andrew Leyden. Andrew is the original webmaster of this site, and opened that account. When sending the payment, please be sure to include the details that were requested on the checklist such as name, username for aa.com and bigsoccer, address, email, phone, etc, etc..
Thanks!
August 8th, 2007 at 10:35 am
@LDE - We just tested a new submittal system that kicks major ass. Look for it to be rolled out this week.
@DannyT - Still looking for the toggle feature for the nested/flat comment viewing. The first rule of web design is acknowledging that you can’t please everyone. Hopefully we’ll reach a good middle ground!
August 8th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
Yep, appreciate the effort you’re putting in. Even if nothing changes, so be it - I have the choice top go somewhere else if I don’t like it.
August 8th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
The major plus to the old format is it gives you the chance to reply to someone’s particular comment. It also gives you the freedom to change the title and discuss something different.
I also like the idea that if stag133 and Fred are going back and forth about each others mom then they can do so in reply and I don’t have to read those comments if I don’t want to.
August 8th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Well it’s almost showtime….the post-Henry era begins. It truly is Arsenal Mk III
A very good offseason, major changes happened early, good build-up games against serious opposition. 2 tournaments, both won, the silverware means nothing but the confidence of winning is important to our young squad.
As I expected Wenger is talking up RvP. He’s 24, ripe to impose himself on a team released of the old guard.
I like the addition of Sagna, Eboue has talent but was a liability we can’t afford at RB. Sagna will offer more composure.
Gallas is an awkward customer. If he puts his mind to it and accepts the role of ‘big daddy’ he’s just the character the younger players need to look after them and gee them up.
There are 2 big if’s. If we get a good start and if we avoid a bad run of injuries. If we do manage both of those the zest of youth running through our squad could realy put wind in our sails and provide us with a season to enjoy.
August 8th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
joshuad, good point. I too skipped those threads though amid the ranting there were sometimes points I enjoyed.
Re: LDE #35 post. I wonder how much of an emergency it would be to see Gibbs and Randall in EPL or CL matches. I suspect there are several others who would slot in there first- Diaby, Flamini, Clichy, perhaps even Traore (and likely in that order). Wenger protected Walcott for 18 months, I think those 2 you mention will get their time in Reserves and Carling Cup. Now, will they be in the squad?, esp. in Jan. & Feb. perhaps… We shall see..
August 8th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Just noticed the “change” of broadcast for the Arsenal-Fulham match. FSC to the rescue! I’ve been doing a little searching to find bars with Setanta Xtra in Philly with no luck. Now I can wake up, go downstairs and watch the match. Couldn’t miss the opener…
August 8th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
@GS - Any place that has Setanta USA via DirecTV gets Setanta Xtra.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:55 am
Cheers Mike…that last line was priceless…”The first rule of web design is acknowledging that you can’t please everyone.”
@danny: We agree to disagree
@GunningSteve: Well yes , you have a point about Theo being protected and Gibbs and Randall maybe not featuring as much. What I meant by an emergency was something like last to last season when anyone we played at roght or left back got injured and Kerrea Gilbert and Sebastian Larsson had to step in to play. Yes ofcourse they’ll get their chance in the Carling Cup primarily though. The ANC is a good point though(Jan and Feb) …we might be short at that time…lets hope we dont get too many injuries…
I dont know…I never really liked the old format but it appears I’m in an overwhelming minority … oh well…guess that cant be helped
August 9th, 2007 at 5:48 am
So with the season upon us and Wenger highly unlikely to bring any more players in, it seems he has finally settled on this squad:
——————————————Lehmann———————————————
——————————————(Almunia)———————————————
—————————————–(Fabianski)——————————————–
Sagna——————–Toure————————Gallas———————Clichy
(Hoyte)—————–(Djorou)——————–(Senderos)—————-(Traore)
(Eboue*)—————(Hoyte*)——————-(Gilberto*)—————(Flamini*)
Hleb——————–Fabregas——————–Gilberto——————Rosicky
(Eboue)—————-(Diaby)———————(Denilson)——————(Hleb*)
(Walcott)————-(Flamini)———————-(Song)——————-(Clichy*)
————————-Van Persie——————-Eduardo—————————-
————————-(Bendtner)——————(Adebayor)————————–
————————-(Walcott*)———————-(Hleb*)—————————–
Overall that is 25 players. Which is not bad.
(*) signifies those playing in their probable secondary positions.
We have no major absences apart from Gilberto and Adebayor who should both be available by the end of the month.
Our aerial ability in central defense is still a question as is speed on the left wing. But we will see what happens. Wenger will probably let this team bed in properly and see which players really take a big leap forward. And then next summer he will then see if he really needs to buy in these two positions.
All in all it is not a bad squad.
August 9th, 2007 at 6:21 am
So as long as:
- Flamini plays ONLY at CM at LB and nowhere else.
- Senderos and Hoyte play less than one quarters of our games.
Then….there should be little likelihood of a “personnel incompetence”! LOL.
Basically, all those on the 2nd and some in the third line will usually start in the league cup. So we might still not see that many real “youngsters” play.
But our non-first team will look like this:
————————————–Wojciech Szczesny————————————-
—————————————(Victor Mannone)—————————————-
Paul Rodgers———–Harvard—————–Kyle Bartley——————–Rene Steer
(Gavin Hoyte)——(Thomas Cruise)——(Craig Eastmond)————–(Abu Ogogo)
van den Berg————Randall——————Merida————————-Gibbs
(Rui Fonte)————(Landsbury)——–(Jay Emmanuel)————–(Sanchez Watt)
—————————Barazite————–Jay Simpson—————————–
———————–(Gilles Sunu)————(Rhys Murphy)————————-
All in all, a nice youth setup…but only Merida and Gibbs have a real chance IMO. The rest will be sold for good profit - to buy the next young thing!
August 9th, 2007 at 7:24 am
Its official Fred — U’ve just been named the Arsenal America formation man of the year
… thats a huge lot of work to go through….u must really enjoy doing these formation things…there’s one in almost every thread that gets started…but hey its a free forum..so go ahead 
One thing though..If Sendy or Djourou go..I wouldn’t be surprised to see Harvard come in…lots ofpeople seem to have good things to say about him…
August 9th, 2007 at 7:43 am
LOL….yeah, formations are my thing lol. since moving to upstate NY this last week have had to work basically 12 hours a day - 9 of those hours working the rest checking email, arsenalamerica-ing and youtubing!
yeah, i know boring life hey! LOL.
August 9th, 2007 at 8:16 am
And since we are on formations, we can as well have a look at our competitors’ probable lineups.
Man U:
———————————————Van der Saar—————————————
————————-——————–—(Kusczak)———–——————————
Neville——-——-———–Vidic————————Ferdinand——————Evra
(Brown)———–———–(Silvestre)——————–(Pique)—————-(O’Shea)
Ronaldo——————–Hargreaves——————–Scholes——————Giggs
(Fletcher)—————-(Anderson)———————(Carrick)——————(Nani)
——————————Rooney—————–———-Tevez—————————-
——————————-(Saha)————————(Solkjaer)————————–
Chelsea:
————————–—————Cech———————-—————————
—————————————(Cudicini)———————————————
Ferreira——-——-———Carvalho————————Terry————A. Cole
(Johnson)—————–(Tal Beim)——————–(Alex)—————-(Bridge)
Ballack—————–Essien——————–Lampard——————Malouda
(SWP)——–—-(Mikel Obi)———————(Sidwell)——————(J. Cole)
———————Shevchenko——————-—-Drogba—————————-
———————–—-(Kalou)————————(Pizarro)————————–
Liverpool:
—————————————Reina—————————————
————————-————(Carson)———————————————
Finnan——-———Carragher————————Agger————-——Risse
(Arbeloa—–———–(Palletta)——————–(Hyppia)—————-(Aurelio)
Benayoun—————–Gerrard——————–Mascherano————Babel
(Pennant)———-(Xabi Alonso)—————(Sissoko)——————(Kewell)
——————————-Torres——————-—-Kuyt—————————-
————————–(Voronin)————————(Crouch)——————-—–
Spurs:
————————————–——Robinson-—————————————
————————-—————–—(Cerny)——————————————
Chimbonda——-———-—King———————Dawson——————Bale
(Gardner)———–——–(Kaboul)————–——–(Rocha)—————-(Lee)
Lennon——————–Zokora————–Jenas———————Malbrunque
(Boateng)———-(Huddlestone)—————(Murphy)——————(Tainio)
—————————-Keane——————-—-Berbatov————————-
—————————-(Bent)————————(Defoe)————————–
And from this my personal opinion:
- Man U have a solid squad but their back defenders are weak. Will Tevez and Rooney work well together? I dont think so.
- Chelsea have a good squad but its hard to say what formation they will use.
- Liverpools’ backups are rather laughable.
- Spurs have ZERO creativity in midfield, a weak keeper and woeful backups apart from in the forwards department.
August 9th, 2007 at 8:27 am
Man thats one strong Chelsea defense…imagine having Alex as a backup CB…its not quite as good as previous years..their backups.but its a very very solid squad…the ANC will test them though…lets see…If Gallas backs his words up on the pitch…we will be fine…we dont need to concede from stupid set pieces….then we’ll be okay…
Oh and dont worry about the 12 hour work thing…I sit here 14 hours at times..and thats primarily due to wasting time during the day on every bit of Arsenal news I can find….on every site….the amount of rubbish there is out there is laughable….
And George Boateng moved from Boro to Spurs?? and he’s playing right wing now???Sheesh..
August 9th, 2007 at 8:39 am
nah, this is some other german born boateng from hertha berlin. he is 20 yrs old.