Nov 08
Sometime over the next couple weeks the Arsenal will lose a match. Invariably, people will come here with ’sky is falling’ pronouncements and calls for players to be dropped permanently and new faces brought in at the transfer window in January.
Let’s remember a couple of things:
1. The Arsenal have no divine right to win every match.
2. Players won’t produce 10/10 performances every week.
3. Trophies are not guaranteed, and shouldn’t be the only measuring stick for a good season.
Part of being a fan is over-reacting wildly both positively and negatively, but a little perspective is a good thing.
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November 8th, 2007 at 11:29 am
EXACTLY!!! i said the same thing over a month ago. see the overreaction to our away draw on wednesday!
November 8th, 2007 at 11:34 am
In earlier postings I warned that Gallas should not play and would prefer Senderos because of physicality and height. Look at Sendros last 3 games with Arsenal and Gallas last three games.
If Senderos had done the same thing that Gallas did in the ManUtd game, we would have hung him out to dry. The team under Gallas is terrible and it is also causing problems for Almunia. I love the hypocrisy. It is easier to castrate Senderos and remain silent on Gallas.
Arsenal are weak against set plays and aerial crosses becuase of the low height center back pairing of Gallas and Toure. Gallas is 5′11. You want your center backs to be at least 6′1″ or higher.
In the ManUtd game and Liverpool game, our opposition utilized pace and physicality. Last night was about physicality. Gallas does not cut it. Now I understand why Mourinho played him as a full back.
In the Liverpool versus Blackburn game, that game was just physical and no footballing temperment.
As an Arsenal fan, we need to be honest with ourselves. If we bury Senderos for mistakes, then Gallas sucks!!!!!
David, the Arsenal fan
November 8th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
So if Senderos almost puts away a set piece header in the first half, gives up a very unlucky own goal (which Almunia would have had if it didnt hit his arm), and then scores in extra time to tie the best team in the EPL, we will “hang him out to dry”??? I’m sure Gallas magically lured Almunia out of net for that 2nd goal too somehow…maybe I was watching another game, or another so far undefeated season.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Thanks Rick, well said. We can all see it coming, can’t we? U know if we do suffer a blip somewhere down the road, the terms “overrated”, “who and who is completely useless”, “AW should have bought who and who” start popping up everywhere again, not just ArsenalAmerica.
Like Fred pointed out up there. The reaction we got after the draw which saw us THROUGH to the CL next round against Slavia, for those who didn’t know may have mistaken it as we had actually got elimated from the group.
Of the Gallas Vs Sendy issue - I always support Senderos, but I cannot be hand in chest and say Senderos is a better defender than Gallas, he is not.
Gallas played a significant role in the past two “big games”. Remember that Steven Gerrard block. Potentially saved us from a vital goal being conceded late in the game.
While at the same time he scored the crucial equalizer against Man U. The first goal he conceded, he had done what he’s supposed to do - by keeping tight on Rooney. The deflection was rather unfortune, something could not be prevented.
And I believe it’s not Gallas’ lack of height caused problem for Almunia when defending setpieces. Rather the other way around - goalkeeper should come out and attack the cross when possible during setpieces, so that it would help to take the pressure off the back 4.
If a keeper likes to stay at the line, it would make the back 4’s job far more difficult than it should be.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Arsenal. Lose. No way!
November 8th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
It’s nice to see Senderos dad online.
No offence to you Mr Senderos, but we’re glad your son is out the team and hope he never returns.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
Lol Danny. But really, Senderos still has alot of upside at his age, and I think hes only going to get better with first team experience. But for now, I like my fullbacks French thank you
November 8th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Too funny Danny. Yeah, Arsenal will lose at some point- let it be after Man U drops some first or we win our game in hand. According to my reckoning the 1st team has 3 draws in the last 4. Not a great spell a few months from now if we don’t keep winning esp. as the rest of Nov. games look very winnable.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
There is a difference between moaning, overracting, gettings things out of perspective, AND calling a spade a spade. Last night was one of those calling a spade a spade nights.
People can go on about it being a great learning experience and character building (insert further cliches if you wish), but I don’t buy it for a second. The sheer anger on Wenger’s face in the first half told the true story. It was only when he realised it was a lost cause that he reined in his anger and tried the perspective approach in after game interviews.
Of course, we’re through and of course we’re gonna lose at some point. But when we produce pathetic performances I’ll call out it out. Losing games is not the problem, it’s the performances that tell the true story in the long term.
November 8th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
What exactly do you want and expect Mazza? One day Wenger will be gone, and Arsenal will be a good team, but no different to any other good team.
Perhaps you should try imagining what it’s like to support Spurs for a minute, with their 10 managers in as many years as Arsenal have had one. It really doesn’t take much for it all to go tits up.
Wenger has overachieved and made world class players for peanuts in a way no other manager I can ever remember has. He also produces fantastic, entertaining football, of which few managers ever produce or supporters ever get to see in their lifetime.
You’re ungrateful and have been spoiled.
Moan when there’s something to moan about. Don’t you think this team deserves the benefit of the doubt when it has an off day?
We’re not blind you know, we saw the performance - but to dismiss the circumstances displays a general lack of knowledge verging on naivety.
November 8th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
It’s quite an interesting topic to post. Getting ready for the sky falling before it does.
I think that regardless of writing this we will still see the posts happen when we lose a match. It’s just in peoples nature.
I see nothing wrong with being critical and letting people vent.
I personal think that we have more than exceeded my expectations so far this season and hope to not see the let down, but it’s bound to happen at some point.
So - as much as this post is being pre-emptive - someones still bound to post the “Sky is Falling” post.
Cheers!
November 8th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
@ #9………… Unbelievable.
November 8th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Better to prepare for the sky falling. I don’t mind fans being critical (hell, I certainly am), but the Untouchables left some people with a totally warped sense of sports reality. We’ve been spoiled this season and I’m hoping for more spoilage from Arsenal, but to expect another season like 03-04 is unrealistic.
November 8th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
I’ve only been a gooner for 9 years and in that time i’ve had my fair share of disappointments. The only thing that can really make me moan is Arsenal been relegated (which we all know will not happen in my life time… i believe).
I’ll complain when we play bad and lose… it’s human nature… I cant help it
But I’ll always love the team: Arsenal… in a way it’s like Fergy moaning after his team couldnt hold on for 3 points (actually bad example since fergy really had no reason for cry foul) but the point is fans are human and no one (no gooner at least) loves to loose.
I think the theme of this post is should be that when we get in a rough patch, like all good teams do, after the initial moans we should give the team as much support as we can… and help make the rough patch move along ASAP
Talking about rough patches… wont it be nice if this is our rough patch (3 games all draws) of the season and by Saturday we get out of it and never look back. I cant help dreaming… GOONER 4 LIFE!
November 8th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
What kills me is that even in this very posts people are looking to slate Gallas or Senderos or complain about the midweek performance. Good Lord, what do you guys need to be happy? I can only imagine that you’d be satisfied if you were watching Arsenal blast 15 past a combination team of ManU/Chelsea/Barca/AC Milan while be ’serviced’ by five Victoria’s Secrets models while Gordon Ramsay, Nigella Lawson and Jamie Oliver cooked you a meal. And Radiohead were playing a live gig in your living room with John Motson sitting next to you providing commentary. There, happy now?!
Every game will not be perfection. Every individual performance will not match Johan Cruijff circa 1974 World Cup. Yes, be critical, but maybe try doing it when we’ve actually lost a match. Or when a player has been clearly below par in several consecutive appearances.
November 8th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
I know that I’ve never called for anyone to be dropped or new buys to come in, especially in January, but I did call bullshit on last night’s game. Understand, I don’t fault the players as they went out and tried to win a tough game in crap weather on the road. I’m being critical of the manager’s tactics over the past two games.
I won’t touch on Saturday as Wenger’s held his hand up on that one but last night could have ended so differently. Had they scored a single goal then we would have lost. Period. Why, because we didn’t have a single playmaker on the pitch or on the bench. That’s not the players fault. Despite all of our possession, we didn’t create a single good chance all game long. It’s kinda difficult to create chances when ALL your playmakers are at home. Perspective is knowing you can’t count on a lucky ball falling to an unmarked Gallas a yard from goal as a plan to score goals. If things go bad you’ve got to have someone you can bring off the bench to change the game.
While I am an Arsenal fan, I’m first a football fan, a football player, and football coach. While my point is very biased, and probably unpopular, it’s hardly overreacting. I love everything that makes this game beautiful so it pains me to see someone as smart as Arsene Wenger do something so stupid. Wenger, just like everyone else, is only as good as his last fuck up. Despite his arrogance we got draws so sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good. But it’s always better to be smart than stupid.
November 8th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
Well said Rick.
The more you get the more you want, the unbalanced criticism smacks of a retarded perspective.
Having followed Arsenal thru the George Graham era I feel utterly spoilt by what has unfolded under Wenger’s watch. But even then, I don’t lambaste George for the functional football that was often served up, I see how that success restored our winning culture, put some money in the coffers, and gave Wenger a superb defence from which to springboard his brand of attacking football.
It’s the journey I’m enjoying, seeing our young ‘home’ grown team develop and the evolution of a new more multi-dimensional style. How much more satisfying is this than cheery picking the most expensive stars from other clubs and playing ‘winning’ football that sacrifices style for results.
If you can’t sit back and savor this…….what is there to savor in football? It’s the 0-0 in Prague that helps you enjoy the 7-0 at the Emirates.
The dip is around the corner, we hope to see a quick rebound.
November 8th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
Did you see what happened to Argentina in the last World Cup when they took their only play maker off the field? The Germans immediately changed their tactics and Argentina completely lost the initiative. On top of that, despite having world class talent, they didn’t have a single soul on the bench who could create plays. The rest, as they say, is history. Argentina’s arrogance was punished where Arsenal have been luckier.
Would it have hurt to leave Fab at home and have Hleb on the bench last night? Then next week we could leave Hleb at home and have Fabregas on the bench.
November 8th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
We are probably the only team in Champions League history to have fans moaning following a match that saw the team qualified for the second stage. While other teams would die for a result, we are complaining about the performance (depsite getting the result we needed)? How arrogrant.
November 8th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Again, I think people are overreacting to the “overreactors”. My negative comments of last nights performance were not meant to detract from the great start we’ve had this season, or Wenger’s legacy. It was simply a frank assessment of the poor display from several our supposed shining lights. Guys like Denilson, who has never produced anything to merit the praise lavished upon him, and a player like Walcott who is supposed to be in his breakout year. These guys are supposed to be laying down a marker and Walcott can barely run with the ball for five yards without tripping over himself.
One can talk about the circumstances to save the players from criticism but lets look at the other set of circumstances. This was a chance for the fringe players to impress the manager. It was a relatively stress-free game as there was no great stake riding on the result. It was also against a pretty average team; one of their star players, Daniel Pudil, failed to impress on a trial at Watford last year. We basically had the license to express ourselves. So while I would taken a draw before the game, the performance of some of these youngsters- Lassana Diarra excluded- was disturbing as it was predictable.
However, it was the second team, and my observations are meant mostly in that context, with a slight eye on the bigger picture.
November 8th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
At least Hleb and Fabregas missed the game. They were at Barca-Rangers.
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November 8th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Mazza, the reaction is not only at you, there are a number of folk who seem to knee jerk negativity at every opportunity.
But you have a predisposition to cast quick judgement on young players and then view every performance thru that lense.
Take Denilson.
“Guys like Denilson, who has never produced anything to merit the praise lavished upon him”
Denilson is a squad player gaining experience, nothing more or less, he played very well in the Carling Cup final against Chelsea in late Feb and aside from that gets sporadic opportunity. Where’s your balance?
Take Walcott.
“Walcott can barely run with the ball for five yards without tripping over himself”
He’s a kid. The English press are both manic & moronic in their desperation for a superstar so they talk him up. We don’t. We know he’s a kid, and recently he has actually put in some better performances - progress, that’s all we expect from him. Again, where’s your balance?
November 8th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
Denilson didn’t play well against Chelsea in the Carling cup final. He did absolutely zilch. It was Diaby runs and Fabregas that meant we played a good first half in that game. Again, that’s another lazy myth about Denilson.
Walcott has improved this season, as I’ve already said before various times, but last night he went backwards again. I have big doubts about his game intelligence.
I hold out more hope for Walcott and Diaby than Denilson. Denilson will not be at Arsenal in two years, mark my words.
November 8th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
@supersapien, the result we needed was the win. Why, because it was an easy opportunity to win the group; easier than beating Sevilla in Spain.
While I’m glad some fringe guys got a run in the team, we still needed to put out a team strong enough to win. A win last night, even if we lose to Sevilla, virtually ensures we win the group. Now we have to go to Sevilla needing a result to ensure we win the group. If we lose to Sevilla, we’re almost certain to finish second.
That means while Sevilla play against the likes of Rosenborg and Man Utd play against Marseille, we’ve got to play against the likes of Barcelona or AC Milan. I don’t know when Toure and Eboue will be back from the AFCON but the last I want to see is Alex Song or Philippe Senderos partnering Gallas against Thierry Henry, Lionel Messi, Samuel Eto’o, and Ronaldinho. If Toure is still gone, you can bring on Olympiacos and I’ll be comfortable with our chances of advancing.
Like I said, there’s no criticism of the players performance last night but of what appears to be arrogance by the management. We have to take our advantages when they’re given to us and last night we didn’t handle our business.
November 8th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Yes, some people are overreacting and some are overreacting to the overreactors.
As I said, it was a dreadful performance (one shot on target after 86 minutes) in dreadful conditions against a dreadful team. I also said roll on next game. Why? Because the point was gained, we qualified for the next round, it was a bad day at the office but there was no indication that it was the first of many. I fully expect our team to come roaring back against Reading.
It is funny reading some of the comments from people who watched Arsenal during the George Graham years. I started watching Arsenal in 1978 and by god the George Graham years were like heaven compared to some of the dross of the Terry Neill years!!! As for the Wenger years, we will never see the likes again.
This team is now 26? games unbeated in all competitions, a club record. Does anyone know what is the English record for games unbeaten in all competitions? Probably that Preston team from the century before last or the Liverpool team of the 70s and 80s. It would be interesting to know.
November 8th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
#23……”It was Diaby runs and Fabregas that meant we played a good first half in that game. Again, that’s another lazy myth about Denilson.”
Was that the same Diaby you recently described as “a lazy streak of sh*t”?
I can only suggest you re-read the post-match comments & analysis on the CC Final - your alone in your impressions of Denilson’s contribution to that game. And quite rightly so.
November 8th, 2007 at 9:03 pm
Yes, and your point is?
I worded it harshly and I apologise for that. His attitude was annoying me at the time.
I don’t care if I am alone in thinking Denilson didn’t do much in that match. I remember it clearly and Denilson did very little.
November 8th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Yeah, well Denilson was one of the best players on the pitch against Sheffield Utd, that’s what you get with young players, inconsistency.
Walcott is 18 for god sake, this was probably his first start in the champions league away from home - what the hell do you expect from him? You have to be patient and let him develop, slowly but surely he will become more consistent.
Again, I don’t think people give credit to Slavia, who were humiliated by that defeat at the Emirates. Yes they are average, but an average team can negate a good team if they put in a massive effort to close down every player in every circumstance - something they didn’t do at Emirates at all. Then of course they had the advantage of playing against an inexperienced team, and the weather was bucketing down which is obviously not going to assist ball control. It’s a combination of factors that you have to take into account.
If you feel angry because you sat there and wasted 90 minutes of your life, then I suggest you pick and choose what games are likely to entertain you more carefully.
November 8th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
#27…….”Yes, and your point is?”
Let me share 2……
- Thinking before you write saves you looking an ass
- If crystal balls worked they’d be standard issue - stop pretending you know better than Wenger on the quality of the youngsters
November 8th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Nil - nil.
On the road.
Terrible weather.
Carling Cup side.
Against a team you just humiliated BADLY.
Not such a bad result in all.
November 8th, 2007 at 10:24 pm
The other side is that the play was terrible, Wenger was fuming, and then he realized everything I said in the previous post. We made it through, and a draw in the CL on the road is fine.
BTW, trap game at Reading this weekend. Wouldn’t be surprised if this is the week we lose. We’ll beat Wigan, tho.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
I must say Reading have had some real pastings this season, so I don’t think they are going to be very confident at the back. They have conceded as many golas as Derby County.
Arsenal need to get at them, if we score early Reading could crumble. I think with their shaky defence they have every right to fear us.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
Moving on from the Slavia blip -
I’d like to add to IrishGunner’s memories of the Graham years. There was no question Graham fashioned some exciting sides. I grew up watching the Brady era team from the North Bank, then drifted away in my teens thanks to rock music, girls, and Don Howe. But I came back to Charlie Nicholas and the Graham years of actually f**king winning things.
He had a muscular, predatory midfield in Rocky and Michael Thomas, who tackled en masse dare one say like they were “wilding”, and later with Wrighty grabbed some spectacular wins. Graham’s team dished out some major hammerings, no question.
But in between the highs were some really dour long ball contests, especially when Niall Quinn was there. Just grinding out the points, even at home. Graham had a weakness for huff and puff workhorses, which was almost worth enduring for the joy of seeing Jensen finally score. But the team were definitely adrift in his last year.
The killer irony for me was when I emigrated to LA in 95 after the bung scandal. I gave up a flat, a girlfriend, a cat - all fairly easily - but giving up that lower east stand season ticket six rows from the front was a huge, agonising decision. In the end, I decided I had seen the best for many years. It wouldn’t get any better than the winning the 91 season losing only one game.
I watched Euro final and Naim’s halfway line lob at the Cock N Bull pub in Santa Monica, feeling as sick as could be, but also feeling that I was right. The glory days were through. It was time to move on to adult things. Little did I know…
November 9th, 2007 at 1:22 am
Very interessting reads about the GG days…thnx guys. I wasn’t there so I wouldn’t know
. I’m a spoilt Arsenal fan who has been around for just around 7 years or so….but there’s nothing more that hasn’t already been said that I can say.
Cheers Rick for an an excellent thought provoking thread…I enjoyed reading it.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:44 am
Was I the only one who didn’t see Senderos in Prague? You know, Senderos sounds like an African name to me. Can’t the Mali team claim him. Please. Just kidding. Maybe Senegal has a spot open.
Gallas had a good game. Any comments to the contrary are just nitpicking.
My reaction to that draw was disappointment that none of those young players mounted a challenge for a first team place. Europe, CL, defensive opposition, cold and wet conditions (reminds one of a certain Ewood Park team) and someone brings a performance that dispels the effects of those conditions. That is what I was hoping for. Maybe on December 18.
I thought Almunia redeemed himself after ManU. Song had another redeeming performance. Diarra and Clichy were the brightest bulbs of the outfield players.
Here’s a little tidbit, Sonko and Sagna are cousins who will be meeting for the first time on Monday. Another dreary tidbit is Coppel (a beneficiary of Arsenal castoffs) calling for more British players in the big four sides. Can these clowns give it a rest already. How many splinters are there in Sidwell’s behind now? Wenger has done his bit for Queen and country by giving players like Sidwell and Harper careers. Now its up to the players and their current teams to put them into the glare of the national team spot light. It is not up to Arsenal to sacrifice its hope for trophies by becoming a socialist team of mediocre British players.
November 9th, 2007 at 3:53 am
My George Graham memories are few as I didn’t even know about an EPL or Arsenal until 1995. I was introduced to this beautiful game back in 1994 during the World Cup and EPL coverage was just too limited in the US back then. In early 1995 I lived in Jacksonville Florida and late one night I was watching this channel called the Sunshine Network, which was devoted to sports in the sunshine state at all levels from high school to professional. I had a cousin playing basketball for FSU then and they did a special on him.
After that, I didn’t change the channel and there was this thing coming on called the Mersyside Derby. Imagine my surprise to see that it was a soccer game played with an electricity and intensity that I didn’t imagine possible. Not only that but the crowd was pehnomenal. Names like Paul Rideout, Steve McMannaman, and Daniel Amakochi spring to memory. Exciting stuff for a 2-2 draw but the best was yet to come.
Immediately following that game was a game between two teams called Manchester United and Arsenal. By then it was almost 2 o’clock in the morning and I had to be to work at 6:45 but I wasn’t interested in going to bed. I remember players like Eric Cantona and Keith Gillespie but the stand out, for me, was this little Arsenal player named Paul Dickov. He was like 5′5″ and like 140 pounds but he was a pain in the ass for Manchester to deal with. I remermber plain as day the vision of GG whispering instructions into the ear of this little man before introducing him as a second half substitute.
Certainly, Geroge Graham’s decision to introduce Paul Dickov in that game is the main reason I’m an Arsenal fan today. I spent many Monday nights staying up late or setting the VCR hoping to catch a glimpse of this little man in action again. It could have ended so differently as I was really impressed with Cantona so thanks be to GG and Paul Dickov for making me an Arsenal fan.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:06 am
Of Dickov, i remember a heartwarming story. When Arsenal won the Cup-Winners-Cup, Ian Wright played a vital part throughout the campaign, but miss out in the final because of suspension. So Dickov, then very much a rookie hadn’t really been involved in that campaign previously, was named on the bench.
As with that stupid ruling at that time, only players who were named in the cup final teamsheet would receive a medal. So Dickov got one, yet Wrighty missed out. To Dickov’s credit, he wanted to give his medal to Wrighty instead. Wrighty, of course, did not accept. As Ian Wright recalled in his book, he felt that not many players would have the chance to collect a Cup medal throughout his career, he didn’t wanna take that away from the young lad.
And it goes on to prove that he’s right. Dickov since then never really won anything. So that was perhaps his own medal in his playing career. Nevertheless, it was still a great gesture for a young lad to have such a decency wanting to pass his winners’ medal to his teammate.
The Cup-Winners-Cup victory was the only cup final I actually missed to see it live. Couple years’ back i bought a CD from ebay to watch it again. Almost fallen asleep by half time.
as MacMac pointed out up there, perhaps those who had been through the GG era would treasure the Wengerball even more. I am pretty sure we won’t be able to see this kind of football for the rest of our life when AW is gone one day.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Andez, I was there for the 1-0 win over Parma in Copenhagen and it was at best a nail-biter. Arsenal had one shot on target the whole game - the goal. The rest of it was just snuffing out their attacks. We won, so thanks George. But the best sight that night was the criminally pretty blonde female police officers!
November 9th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Actually when Graham first arrived Arsenal were a very exciting team to watch - especially with likes of Smith, Limpar, Rocastle, Thomas, Marwood, Merson, Davis and Wright - these players were all world class and had great flair. Arsenal could score goals for fun. I remember one match at Anfield, I think it was a 1-1 in the end - Rocastle scored an incredible long range goal. But the football from both teams that night was amongst the best I have ever seen on a football pitch, including anything Wenger has served up. The entire match was full of beautiful one-touch passing and triangles from both teams, and Liverpool were a class act in those days.
It was only the last few years of Graham’s reign that he started playing it safe and scraping one-nils all the time. He neglected the attacking side but the defence was impenetrable - but yes the football grew tedious towards the end. But Graham really knew how to give confidence to players, and when on the top of their game Arsenal were a joy to watch.
It’s not the total football you see now, but not as far behind as yo might think. Graham could only keep it up for about 3 years, whereas Wenger has rarely produced tedious football in his 10 year reign.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
Well, have only been an Arse fan since 97…ten years and a few months today…so I cant really say much about the Graham days apart from what I saw on dvd.
In the 90s I was all about Italian soccer in those days when Serie A was supreme. Today, due mainly to increased workload and strong dislike for “normal/dreadful” football…I find that I only watch Arsenal.
No doubt GG was a great coach…..just far more pragmatic i guess. Isnt it funny that the last time Spurs won anything was under him??
November 9th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
Marwood & Limpar……I can still well remember. Each gave us a truely superb season….from memory both resulted in titles.
Sadly Marwoods AFC career ended cruelly in injury and Limpars star never flckered again.
November 10th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Limpar is still one of the greatest players I have ever seen - a true Arsenal legend. Marwood was a brilliant winger, fantastic pace and his crosses were never lumped in, they always found their target. Find him quite irritating on Sky though.
November 17th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
Denilson wasa the supposed flair player.He had an offnight, not least because the passing was below normal for all, albeit on a poor pitch.
You lot need to get a season watching a poor side under your belts. Real LOL! at any criticism of AW….ffs get a grip..
Rick, if this is you…diaby MoM, don’t make me laugh..;-)