Boring Boring History:
Fulham vs Arsenal is marked off as just another ‘London Derby’ but the birth of modern day Arsenal lies buried within Fulham’s past. In 1910, Henry Norris who was one of the Fulham club directors, joined the board of then Woolwich Arsenal. Norris, also the Major of Fulham from 1909-1919, wanted to merge both Fulham and Arsenal into a “Super Club” but the Football League rejected the idea. After that rejection, Norris put his energy in trying to make Woolwich Arsenal a bigger force in the English game. But the poor condition of Woolwich’s Manor ground didn’t help in the team’s on-field performance. In 1913, Woolwich Arsenal were relegated after they picked up only 3 wins, 12 ties and lost 23 games out of the 38 games. Norris decided that a move to a new stadium with a bigger fan base would help in the team’s cause. In 1913, the word Woolwich was dropped and a newly born Arsenal moved to North London much to the dismay of Spurs, Leyton Orient and Chelsea. Even though Arsenal struggled in the 2nd division in the early years of their Highbury existence, they got a huge break when Norris arranged for them to get promoted to the 1st division in 1919 at the expense of Spurs. The hated North London derby started with a man from Fulham. As per Jon Spurling (Highbury The Story of Arsenal in N.5) “No Less than twenty Spurs-related sites cite him [Norris] as the prime reason to hate Arsenal”.
On-field, because of Fulham’s long absence from division one, Arsenal and Fulham have only played a total of 41 league games and just one F.A Cup game between them. That single F.A Cup game was also the first ever meeting between these two teams all the way back on Feb 6, 1904 when Arsenal won 3-2. The first ever league game between the two took place in the second division on Nov 8, 1913 when Fulham won 6-1, which is also the highest score by which Fulham have ever beaten Arsenal. Arsenal won the return fixture 2-0 and racked up another 28 wins against Fulham. The two have tied 6 with Fulham winning the remaining 6 games.
Since Fulham’s promotion to the Premier League in the 2001/02 season, Arsenal have won 11 of the 13 games between the two outscoring Fulham 29-6. The only two games that Arsenal didn’t win took place on Nov 30, 2003 (a 0-0 tie) and Nov 29, 2006 (a 2-1 loss). Two winless games in the final days of a sometimes rainy/chilly November time frame doesn’t make a pattern — Arsenal have won 4 out of 7 November fixtures between the two (1-0 win away to Craven Cottage on Nov 3, 2002; 1-0, 5-1, 2-1 home wins on 19-11-1966, 25-11-1950, 5-11-1949).
Current Season — Early vs Late Shows:
Arsenal kicked off the 2007/08 season with an eventful game at home to Fulham. All eyes were anxious to see how a young Arsenal would do without the likes of Henry and Ljungberg, when an early gift (52 seconds) allowed David Healy to put Fulham into a shock lead. Arsenal were frustrated until two goals in the last six minutes won them the game (84th min Van Persie penalty and a last minute Hleb marker).
Interestingly, that opening game contained some of the patterns found in both team’s performance since then. That game was the first of 10 league games where Fulham took an early lead only to either lose or tie the game. Out of those 10 league games where Fulham scored early, they lost 3 times and had to settle for a tie on 7 occasions. Including that Arsenal game, Fulham scored 8 times before the 20th minute mark in those 10 matches.
For Arsenal that opening Fulham game showed their ability to score late goals. Arsenal have scored 17 of their 43 league goals after the 75th minute mark, with 13 goals arriving on/after the 80th minute mark. 5 league games were won and two crucial ties against Liverpool and Man Utd came on the back of these late goals. Arsenal also scored deep into injury time in their only league loss this season to Boro. Even the young guns have followed this late goal spirit to win a Carling Cup tie against Newcastle with goals in the 83rd (Bendtner) and 89th minute (Denilson). Bendtner also produced a 75th minute strike to finish off Burnley in the F.A Cup while Walcott managed to artfully deflect a shot off his body in the 79th minute to earn a 1-1 tie against the auld enemy last week in the Carling Cup semi.
Fulham’s 19th position defies belief. A talented squad of Antti Niemi, Healy, Dempsey, Davies, Smertin, Konchesky, Danny Murphy, Bocanegra, McBride (injured for most of this season) can certainly manage better. But as noted above, the late goals have played a part in the team being stuck near the bottom. Fulham have only managed 2 wins out of their 11 home games, drawing 5, losing 4 and scoring 16 goals and letting in 18. They are winless away from home with 4 ties and 7 losses, scoring just 7 goals and letting in 21 strikes. Fulham’s top scorers this season are Dempsey with 6 goals and Simon Davies with 4.
Away from Home Arsenal have won 5, tied 4 and lost 1, scoring 17 goals and letting in 9. Arsenal’s home record is much stronger with 10 wins, two draws, 26 goals scored and 8 let in. Ade is top scorer with 13 goals, 3 adrift of Ronaldo at the top of the league scoring charts.
Saturday’s game:
History and stats mean nothing when both teams need 3 points, even if those points are for vastly different reasons. The intense title race means that any draws that Arsenal get against mid/bottom placed teams will feel like two points lost as opposed to one gained. Whereas, Fulham’s currently tally of 15 points means that they are already 5 points behind their relegation rivals — Sunderland, Wigan, Birmingham and Bolton all have 20 points. Boro are not that safe with only 21 points.
Fulham will certainly be up for this game as they would have taken heart from the point that Birmingham managed to get against Arsenal. For Arsenal, the game will be a chance to get things back in perfect harmony in order to keep pace at the top.
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January 18th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Fulham’s pitiful home form and bad run of results (11 without a win) combined with Arsenal’s lethargic performance last week - you would expect Arsenal to really raise their game considerably and show they are up for a title fight.
For me this is more about the performance. I want to see fight, passion and determination to win at all costs. Anything else will only back up my assertion that Arsenal are slowly folding out of the title race.
January 18th, 2008 at 9:51 am
The Fulham game at the start of the season proved a very crucial one in the long run. The way we never gave up and scored two late goals to overturn a deficit and win the game set the tone for the first half of the season. We went on to do many times in the season.
Now this game could be equally crucial. Arsenal are at a stage where they need to get their rhythm back so as to not allow ManU to build a lead which we will find difficult to claw back later on.
I expect the first half to be a bit sloppy. But hopefully by the second half, Arsenal will have clicked into gear. Let’s just hope we don’t concede by then, which will only make our job more difficult.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:30 am
i agree with you nipuna. this game is as crucial as that first game. if we had drawn that game at home i doubt we would have gone on this run. hopefully a win here will propel us further.
i dont care about perfomance - because i am sure fabregas and hleb will show up soon anyway - i just want the 3 points.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:07 am
We need to start looking at performance soon Fred, otherwise we’re just papering over the cracks.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Do ‘em gunners- passion and commitment is a must - no more going through the motions and sloppily giving away corners which we cannot defend
January 18th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Fulham have let a lot of leads slip away in games this season, and we have overall been very good at leaving it late to pick up wins.
Fulham are a much better team than 19th place.
Hopefully Wenger has gotten to our boys after Birmingham and they will not treat this game as one that should be in the bag before kissing the pitch.
I, too, will be looking for the fight, determination, and passion to slaughter the Cottagers. Win the title? Better see a winning character Saturday.
p.s. I love watching matches at Fulham - one of my favorite grounds.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am
bad typo on my part. Norris was the Mayor of Fulham, not Major.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Is that Chick Norris?
January 18th, 2008 at 11:45 am
*Chuck
January 18th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
As long as we give it a good lash I don’t mind whether we win, lose, or draw. McBride is back so they could catch us on a set-piece. It’s up to us to exploit their late collapses and claw back a deficit or put the game out of reach, depending on what the score is after seventy or so minutes.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Full-Ham will need a Hambulance
or they better because if the Arsenal come out like they did with
Birming-up-Ham our beloved club will look like a pork sandwich.
I’m not much for pork but I do love a long thick sausage.
January 18th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
what a curious attitude mazza has toward the team. he doesn’t care if we win the game, and couldn’t care less if we win the title. admirable disinterestedness, but ultimately isn’t this the arsene attitude taken to a ridiculous and parodic extreme? i.e., it doesn’t matter if we score as long as we look good doing it?
January 18th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
if we draw or lose, the reaction from him here will be a different story, never mind the lads give it a good lash or not.
January 18th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Its easy to say you dont care about results now as long as we give it a good try, but its the same people who will come out with doom and predictions of milan scoring 10 past us if we dont win.
now, lets think clearly…the result is by far the most important at this stage. fabregas and hleb WILL DEFINITELY come back to form - and then everybody will say we are the “best in the world” with straight faces. for now however only getting the wins matter. we need to go for the crown THIS year.
January 18th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
This is one of the few games where I am not terrified of having Senderos in the back. I think Fulham will go with a 4-5-1. But even if they play with two forwards, they don’t have anyone with pace. Hopefully, Phil can keep it solid and win a few headers.
I expect a good game from Arsenal. Most of the key players have a had a decent amount of rest and should be fit and ready. I think the Birmingham game will be a wakeup call for many of them as well. We have bounced back well from the few disappointments we have had this year. I agree with those that just want to see the team click again. That would restore my confidence in our ability to challenge for trophies this year.
The lineup should be pretty straight forward with the exception of the second striker. I don’t know if it will be Bendtner or Eduardo.
Almunia
Sagna Senderos Gallas Clichy
Hleb Flamini Fabregas Rosicky
Adebayor Eduardo
In other news, AW spoke on arsenal.com about how he believes Theo will make it at Arsenal, and (more importantly) that he will play Theo more as a striker. I know Theo elicits a wide range of opinions among supporters. However, I do think he has been playing out of position when out wide. In my opinion it takes a special sort of player to play wide, and especially wide for Arsenal. I don’t think Theo ever had the qualities to do it. I do however, feel that he can be a top class striker. And with Van Persie’s fragility, it may be a position that requires some reinforcing in the near future. I would actually like to see him start at striker this weekend but I doubt it will happen. Perhaps against Spurs in the CC.
January 18th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I disagree, the team has wobbled badly, especially away from home. There were reasons for that, but we need to start showing our early season form asap. Hleb and Fabregas are crucial, but they can’t do it alone, everyone has to improve. They have had their injuries, but have had plenty of games since to get over them.
For me the excuses need to stop and it has to start tomorrow, and that means the performance. We are talking about being champions, so sooner or later you have to start playing like champions.
You can’t scrape results for 3 months dropping points here and there and expect to win anything big. It’s time to be realistic, and for me that means showing we are realistic title contenders from now until the end of the season. The games will soon start to run out.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
dont get me wrong … “i will love it, absolutely love” ala keagan if we played well and also won……but what i really fear is that the slating we would still get if we play well and dont win. our confidence will be in utter shreds i think.
if they can play well and win, awesome, but if they can just play the same way as they did against b’ham or westham and come away with the 3 points that would definitely suffice. but playing well is surely not a priority over 3points.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
You can’t ignore our form forever. Let’s be honest, regardless of the results if we don’t start winning AND playing well we can kiss goodbye to the title. I won’t complain if we play well and fail to win, I never have.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Adebayor is African POTY!
January 18th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Fuck me, now no RvP for the Milan game, in all likelihood, given that he’s gone back to Holland for treatment.
January 18th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
They don’t play Milan until, what, mid-February?, and it’s not like Holland is very far away. That’s plenty of time for RvP to come back. Of course, it is RvP so he could be out until April.
January 18th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
That’s it, I’m going ‘postal’ over the mismanagement of van Persie. For the love of Pete. Someone at Arsenal needs to have an inquiry into the management of Arsenal’s players injuries. A hang nail gets you 2 wks out but a muscle strain gets you into the game and then you’re done for who knows how long after you break down. I am so f*****g piss off over this RVP situation. Now we have to make do with the African POTY and 2 ‘kids’ still getting their EPL careers into second gear. Do not try and pacify me Mr. Wenger by propping up Walcott. That dog won’t hunt.
January 18th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Marlon King has failed his medical so Fulham won’t have his pace to worry Senderos.
January 18th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Adebayor is nowhere near Africa’s best player - Eto’o is significantly superior. However this is the BBC version not the official awards so I guess they will have a British bias.
What annoys me the most is the flipfloppy manner that Wenger calls the injuries. First he says its a slight groin problem, then a muscle strain, then he called it a virus….now he is singing a different tune.
Some people in the medical department are not doing their job right.
January 18th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
So we have a lousy medical staff?
Based on … RVP being injury prone?
If we have a medical staff that aren’t very good, I would imagine Wenger would bring in other people… or the team would… plain and simple.
I’ve got to believe they know what they are doing. RVP is so injury prone it does not matter who his doctor is.
We are going to batter Fulham tomorrow. I feel bad for them, because I like some of their players, they have an old school stadium, and they employ many American players… (it IS Arsenal America after all… thus some American supporters and interest!).
But… I think we can do the business against Fulham.
3-0 would be nice.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
stag, please read. it has nothing to RvP being injury prone and all to do with constantly wrong diagnosis. and not just with RvP.
before u were a constantly negative pr*ck now you want to go to the other end of the spectrum. both extremes are idiotic.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Sad about RVP ..seriously. He gives us that unpredictability that no one else gives us in our team. Hleb to an extent maybe but his dynamism and that deadly left foot are something no one else really has…in dare I say ..world football. Anyway I think we’ll beat Fulham after going a goal behind ;). Here’s the squad that Arsene will put out:
Almunia
Clichy Sendy Gallas Sagna
Mozart Flamster Cesc Hleb
Ade Eduardo
Subs: Lehmann, Bendtner, Theo, Gilberto, Diaby
January 19th, 2008 at 1:00 am
All quiet on the Lehmann leaving front?
RvP is injury prone. That is a fact. He hasn’t strung 6 months of football without getting injured. I guess that’s why we can afford to have 5 strikers. It’s best for Walcott for play up front as he is clearly not cutting it in the wide position. All this just makes our need for a winger all the more crucial, but expect Arsene to do nothing about it.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:01 am
How come nobody is blaming Wenger for playing RvP in the CC game?
January 19th, 2008 at 1:09 am
I dunno, read Wenger’s soul-searching about his decisions re: RvP. I can understand why he did it the way he did it. I’m sure RvP was champing at the bit to play and seemed well enough.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:13 am
nipuna is right. some players are more injury-phroned than others that’s all. it’s those soft of things u can’t explain in football. players like Owen, Anderton, Aliadiere…. why they always got injuried? while there are some, Kolo Toure for instance, rarely missed a game through injury (touch wood)?
bottom line is i m pretty sure no player wants to be spending more time on treatment room than on the pitch.
as for our medial staffs, first thing first, i don’t think anyone really knows anything behind the scene. AW is someone pay lot of attention on players’ fitness, if any medical staffs not doing their job properly, they’d be out of the door.
and from what i learned, many of our players like Adams, Vieira, Pires, when they suffered an injury at the past, AW would send them to the specialist in other countries. our medical staffs only do the initial diagnosis.
anyway, in RvP’s case, it’s just simply being unfortune (that he initially picked up the knock playing for Holland). i don’t think we can really blame anyone for that. this soft of things happen in football.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:55 am
To me the most bizarre thing is that on Thursday, BBC reports that RvP has a virus and may be out the rest of the season, and then today, BBC reports it is a leg strain and he will be out a couple of weeks or so.
What???????????????????
January 19th, 2008 at 4:21 am
Just calm down. There’s a game coming up and we’re hardly short of strikers. As many have said we don’t deserve to win the title if we solely depend on RVP alone so if he’s out..hard luck. We have to go on without him then.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:17 am
We will definitely miss RvP but strikers are hardly our problem in the last few games. In fact, it has been the goals of Eduardo that has kind of kept us going in the past few games when the midfield has struggled to tick. We need Cesc and Hleb to step up.
January 19th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Don’t take your frustrations out on Arsenal’s medical staff, they know a lot more than you ever will. Some players are just injury prone, Van Persie has been for three seasons. Maybe he’s like Ljungberg or Owen, and there are other players too, their bodies cannot cope with the physical demands of playing or even training for long periods.
Some players entire careers are blighted by injury. If it was all the fault of medical staff then half the team would have problems, not just one player. I don’t think Arsenal have more injuries than any other team.
Wenger will have to make a decision on Van Persie if he’s out the whole season though, he’s our most dangerous striker and the team won’t reach its full potential without him.
January 19th, 2008 at 9:18 am
In the long term, it would not be a bad option to have Ade + Eduardo as first choice and RvP as the first backup. Ade has the pace and work rate while Eduardo just knows where the goal is. RvP can start games when he is fully fit and come off the bench in others to become our impact sub. That would leave Bendtner and Walcott fighting for the 4th striker position.
January 19th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Two for Adebayor already!
January 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Yes. Great start to the game. Give credit to some credit to Rosicky for the 1st- he held the ball making Volz to commit to him rather than Clichy and Clichy had plenty of time.
Some credit to 2nd goal is also due to Flamini’s battling to reclaim the ball and get it out to Hleb.
Wenger admitted some blame for “perhaps” rushing him a bit in response to van Persie being anxious. His injury went from a “slight knock” to the flu to out at least 3 weeks. It is frustrating but can’t do anything about it. Sadly the guy can’t see to stay healthy.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
a day after saying adebayor aint all that he comes back with 2 to say hey, watch your mouth lol.
but seriously though, thats like 15 league this season that is A LOT. that is drogba like…….
who would ever have imagined adebayor could be a 20 goal player???
i hope we can get at least 4 goals today. please boys, make it happen!
January 19th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
We’re starting to play like idiots now. We better wake up or a Fulham goal is coming.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
How the h3ll does Fabregas not score there? I hope he wasn’t so focused on setting up a hat trick that he neglected to even take a shot from about 10′ out.
Kuqi’s name pronunciation makes laugh. Yes, I have a juvenile sense of humor.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Damn. ManU beat Reading with two late goals.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Yes a Fulham goal came. We’re doomed now. We’ve bottled it and have lost. We will now be relegated.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
The Niemi time out re-focused us. Job done. Sickening how United and Chelsea score at the same time.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
We woke up LDE you dickhead.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Fulham goal? What drugs you on Mazza? Arsenal were in complete control.
Just what I asked for good result, and a good performance. And vital too, as with Man Utd and Chelsea winning it shows that the consistency has to start now if you want to be the champions.
Good to see Rosicky getting on the end of that goal, he needs to do that more. Adebayor’s finishing has improved this season immeasurably. And 90 minutes for Eduardo, he is bedding in now, getting used to the pace of the game and getting a lot more involved. Much more to come from him.
All good today.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
regulation win. we should have beaten this people by 5 at least.
fabregas is still off. hleb will still pass in the box even in extra time.
ah well, at least it boosts our goal difference.
and rosicky will always score our FINAL goal…the guy is a specialist in such goals
i really hate the way Man U and Chelsea make things look so easy.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Arsenal stopped playing the ball forward. Fulham didn’t create much but we were making things hard for ourselves when we didn’t need to. Luckily Niemi’s inury gave us time to regroup and push on. It’s not really something worth going on and on about, because we won easily in the end.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
It’s not worth going on about at all, because what you said was a myth.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Yes, Danny, whatever. Your the one that said Villareal never looked like scoring in the 2nd leg of the champions league match so I take your opinion on whether a team looks like scoring or not with a grain of salt.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Who taught Hleb to cross the ball? When he did it at West Ham early in the season, I thought it was a complete fluke. Now he has done in two successive games. Eduardo should have scored vs Birmingham and Ade did vs Fulham.
I guess if he can learn to cross the ball there is still hope that he may learn to shoot instead of passing the ball when open on goal.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Man Mazza, u r getting more and more ridaculous day by day.
The TV commentator commented “if it was a boxing game, the ref would have stop the match”.
An extreme one side match we were close to total domination. A win, a good performance. And u r still moaning? Enough is enough man.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
It seems Mazza is just looking for an argument, best ignore him.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Andez, since when did I give a shit what a commentator said?
And I’m hardly moaning, it was more a thinking out loud minute-by-minute style commentary post. Certain people around here should stop acting like sensitive little girls.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I think the team he wants to support simply does not exist - playing great football every game, win every game, and must be playing well throughout the 90 minutes of every single match.
Perhaps a hundred years later, in year 1108 they makes robots to play football, they would probably start achieving that. But then we might all have to watch it from the heaven, or hell.
Before that day arrive, I don’t think we will ever see a team like that exist in this planet earth. That’s something I can GUARANTEE.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
I’m looking for an argument. Hilarious! I spout an innocous little comment advocating Arsenal get their act together. Nothing more. A person not looking for an argument would ignore it. Your making a tit of yourself as usual, Danny, so best take your own advice.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
lol
January 19th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Almunia (7) Hard to give a rating for a keeper who had nothing to do in the entire match
Sagna (8) Excellent as usual
Gallas (8) Ensured Fulham never had a sniff
Senderos (7) Comfortable day for the skinhead
Clichy (9) Fantastic in the first half, a player who says what he thinks then does it
Hleb (6) Was better in the second half when he switched flanks
Flamini (7) Solid
Fabregas (7) Not up to top speed but passing was generally good and some key
Rosicky (8) Worked like a trojan in first half and wrapped up the game with a lung-bursting effort
Adebayor (9) One of his best games in a long while, everything he did was good, two great headed goals
Eduardo (8) Nearly a 7, but as the game wore on he got more involved instead of fading and set up Rosicky’s goal
January 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
After this 3-0 win…i was thinking to myself that there was absolutely no way anybody could complain about the way the team played today…….hmm…proved wrong again :D..well anyway..atleast it keeps the discussions going :))
I have no complaints about the team today..good effort ..Soccernet’s headline said that “Arsenal keep the pressure on United” …thinking about it that way..i actually prefer us being a close second in the league at this stage….would like to see us win with a late charge towards the end.
Great to see Adebayor score again..what a change from last season and from when we first signed him…i still remember some of the comments then…people were calling him a absolute waste of money and a no hoper
Cheers,
Wayne
January 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
if arsenal won 10-0 and fulham never got in our half, some people would still find something to complain about
January 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
exactly DannyT…
We played a really solid match. You guys are never satisfied. Sometimes I wonder in the undefeated season was a bad thing. Gooners now have an impossibly high standard for the squad now.
Enjoy the win. We’ll get our shot at ManU.
Up the arse, kiss the crest, believe!
January 19th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
lol…complaining about a short spell in a regulation win when we werent utterly dominant is surreal! lol.
adebayor’s success is awesome reward for wenger’s patience with him.
anyway, now on to the spurs game.
i think because eduardo played 90 minutes here, we will see walcott and bendtner start against spurs. i think one of hleb or rosicky should start and the other should be on the bench.
and our current first choice defense should start though am scared we will plump for hoyte and traore again.
i really wish we had song as an option right now.
an early goal will do very nicely, so that any other goal we score after that will go down well with the away goals rule.
January 19th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Lol lol..especially when dropped two points for doing exact thing against Birmingham last week lol, lol, lol…………….lol”