May 22
Now the season is officially over, I suggest we re-channel all our emotional energy to someone who really deserves it. Instead of insulting each other under the guise of healthy debate, let’s make this a dumping ground for all the toxic love we feel for football’s Mr. Greedy/Vomiting/Cheating Scum. Memo from Moscow to Ashley: It’s called karma c***hole! What a bonus: I just loved it, loved it, when John Terry slipped because I knew he would blub like luvvie. As they say in The Big Lebowski, “Strong men also cry… strong men also cry.” Well, cynical f***ers like me also laugh ourselves silly. “Strong men also cry… strong men also cry.”
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May 22nd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
I wouldn’t mind doing a photoshopped version of a crying cuntley photo? Problem is i don’t know what text/copy to put next 2 the punk’s crying face. Any ideas, am sure arsenal america has a copy writer in training who can assist in humiliating Cole. Maybe one of those ‘mastercard priceless’ types!
I’ve never hated a player like i hate Cole, cheating Van Diver used 2 b the ultimate hate figure!
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Who cares… he is history!!!
May 22nd, 2008 at 6:55 pm
the English league must be at the peak of its power -
Arsenal did not go out of CL by an European side, but Liverpool…
like wise, Liverpool got kicked out by another English side Chelsea…
and eventually Chelsea lost the CL to yet another English side Man U.
none of the 4 English sides went out of the CL getting beaten by any European clubs.
May 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 pm
OFF Topic, but I just came up with a great idea. Real Madrid is interested in Hleib who is is rated at about 15 million.
Real Madrid recently exercised 4 million loan return options for Javi Garcia (DM), Esteban Granero (Forward/Winger) and Ruben De la Red (AMF) from Getafe.
Let’s do a straight swap with Hleib and these three lads who are highly rated, had great seasons at Getafe, especially De La Red. We fill most of our needs without spending a dime.
May 22nd, 2008 at 11:21 pm
But are Real willing to pay the 125K per week in ice cream that Hleb demands???
I think not.
In general, I am not in for buying more young spanish guys that havent had a proper taste of their own leagues yet. If they explode for us, guess who will come in to unsettle and swoop in for them? And guess which players will be talking about how starting for Madrid or Barca has always been their “dream”. Not all players are as loyal as Fabregas seems.
May 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 am
Cashley? I’ve long forgotten who he is.
Let’s laugh at Flamini instead switching to a big club with big money but ending up playing in a small cup next year!
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 am
You got the name wrong Neova, it’s FLAMONEY not Flamini. Let’s hope he retains the Arsenal farewell jinx like Ca$hley Cole and never win any important hardware going forward.
May 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 am
Important = league/CL only? Cause Cashley and LD80K have won the FA Cup.
Viera has won the league and Anelka has won the CL. Gio has won both.
May 23rd, 2008 at 6:18 am
Or maybe it’s Anelka we should be laughing at.
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_3600691,00.html
May 23rd, 2008 at 7:16 am
Just winning an FA Cup is nothing for Chelsea. I hence discount Cashley. Anelka won the CL with Madrid very young - he’s done nothing since. Viera won the league with practically zero competition. LD80K is the only one who has WON something in my subjective eyes.
May 23rd, 2008 at 8:23 am
Hleb’s not demanding 125k. He’s not that deluded.
But they are prepared to offer him the upper bracket. Amazing really, for such an ‘unproductive’ player.
May 23rd, 2008 at 8:38 am
Nothing amazing really.
The whole Real story and 125K is most likely just agent speak. Even if Real do sign him, they have many super stars in their team, so Hleb is not guaranteed any playing time. Finally, if Hleb does play and produces his typically sublime but no end product performances, he will shoved back to the bench.
Only at Arsenal is he guaranteed to be first choice irrespective of how well he plays. If he doesn’t understand that, I guess he is deluded after all.
May 23rd, 2008 at 8:43 am
LDE,
If the FA Cup means nothing, we have been trophyless for 4 years.
Just because Anelka is young, it doesn’t count? That’s like saying Cesc doesn’t count if we had won it in 2006.
Nobody started with any points deduction in Italy this season. Nobody stopped Milan or Juve from challenging for the title. If you want to look at it that way, Pompey faced “practically” zero competition, so I guess they don’t deserve it either.
Even if Cashley had won the CL, it wouldn’t have changed what kind of a person he is. Same applies to Anelka. That’s why we can laugh at them.
Remember this fact - Arsenal have won NOTHING since Vieira left.
May 23rd, 2008 at 8:48 am
Real Madrid are well aware of the infamous stats of Hleb. They’re scouts are not stupid. They know he brings far more to the table than direct assists and goals. The difference is instead of Ade-barn-door up front he will have Nistelrooy, Raul, Higuain, Robben etc to make the most of his good work.
He would do fine at Madrid.
May 23rd, 2008 at 9:15 am
Mazza, why do you make it so difficult to have a proper argument?
“They’re scouts are not stupid.”
These must be the same scouts and coaches/managers who signed all the Galacticos leading to Real being trophyless for 3 (?) seasons. Or I guess they have changed now.
Ade has scored many times of Cesc’s assists. Are you saying that he miraculously missed Hleb’s assists but scores only of Cesc?
You have astutely avoided all the points I have made.
1. This could all be agent speak because Real Madrid are linked with pretty much every player in the world.
2. He is not guaranteed regular playing time at Real. Nobody is.
3. Neither the manager nor the fans of Real will have much patience if Hleb has two or three poor displays, which he undoubtedly will, especially if he isn’t playing regularly.
4. Only at Arsenal is he guaranteed to be first choice irrespective of how well he plays.
“He would do fine at Madrid.”
Of course, he would. A good player at Arsenal has a good chance of doing so at another club.
May 23rd, 2008 at 9:22 am
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7417028.stm
The earlier this is settled the better.
May 23rd, 2008 at 9:30 am
In recent years they’ve moved away from the galactico strategy and signed younger players like Gago, Higuain, Marcelo, Ramos. Of course, they still bring in well known players but there appears to be more method to it all. The scouts haven’t changed, they’ve just wised up and don’t buy ‘names’ for the sake of it.
I’m pretty sure all these clubs are interested in Hleb. He wouldn’t be acting so sneaky and effectively severing ties with everyone at Arsenal if he didn’t have numerous alternatives. I don’t think he is laying all his eggs in the Inter basket.
As for the rest of the points, they’re not really points, more flimsy ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’. Of course, he may not play all the time, it’s called squad rotation. Is he a player that needs to playing regularly to produce his best? Probably, but then who doesn’t? Again, Arsenal’s weak squad means he hasn’t got any competition to replace him. Maybe he has been played too much last season.
Your last sentence seems to contradict alot of your previous points.
May 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 am
Interesting stat actually. In open play Fabregas has set up Adebayor to score three times. Hleb? Three times as well.
Overall, including set pieces, Fabregas has assisted Adebayor four times. Only one from a set-piece then. So it’s a bit of a myth to state that Cesc has assisted Ade many times and Hleb hasn’t at all.
May 23rd, 2008 at 10:41 am
My points are “ifs” and “buts”, but you are “pretty sure” that Real are after Hleb.
Maybe he has played too much, but maybe also he will shit in his pants if he faces any competition to replace him.
I meant to say “Of course he could” not would. That’s not contradictory.
May 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am
“I meant to say “Of course he could” not would. That’s not contradictory.”
That’s changed everything Nipuna. Here was me thinking the argument wasn’t going anywhere ;^)
May 23rd, 2008 at 11:42 am
Ladies and gentlemen, the Mazza and Nipuna show!
You both have made some valid points, but I think we can all agree that this needs to be sorted out soon.
Really, I’m just here to laugh at Cashley and Le Sulk… although I can’t help but feel a little bad for Chelsea as a whole. Blasphemy, I know.
May 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 am
It has to happen to an Arsenal player.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=538222&cc=4716
May 23rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Hleb will go to Real or Inter, there will be a ton of mindless media chatter about how he’s left little ole Arsenal to achieve greatness, then we will draw them in the CL and beat them leaving all the pundits looking foolish again. It’s really becoming a tedious pattern.
I know and understand why Wenger wants to hold on to Hleb, but if he Aleks is resigned to leave I would start looking at it as an opportunity for others to step up. Theo could make the right wing position his own for a year or two - until Wenger decides to move him up top. While still a bit raw, Theo showed some very promising signs toward the end of the season that he can be more dangerous than Hleb there.
May 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Mazza, where do you manufacture your stats? I hope you are not just talking about the Cesc assists to Ade from memory though?
Real is interested in Hleb hey???
The same Real that are interested in everybody else in the WORLD who has a half decent season.
The same Real who were recently linked to Walcott???
LOOOL.
Real most likely see Hleb as a nice little small league boy, who would be nice to have to rotate off the bench - and they are not stupid enough to offer him any more than 60 K/ week in icecream.
There is a reason he hasnt left yet! Why pay a loser so much when he isnt going to be there on the raw nights.
That is why he IS still in limbo right now. I wont be surprised if he started making noises about “wanting to stay” in a couple of weeks. He is such a loser he will probably bottle his own departure!
May 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Fred. Get a grip, will you.
You might not like Hleb, but you are talking stupidity.
If Hleb is a poor as you reckon, why would Wenger want to keep him? or is Hleb ONLY going to be OK at Arsenal.
Hleb has interest from other teams… and its not because he’s lousy.
If you asked Cesc… I am sure he’d want Hleb in the team… he helps create, and that helps Cesc get space to make the brilliant passes… they work quite well together.
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 pm
i do have one belief on why Hleb wants to leave. apart from money, i think it’s he got fed up by the physical style of English game.
at least that’s my impression of him. i said before there were so little protection to skillful players in the English game from the refs, I weren’t suprised at all Rosicky got injuried often, but more suprised of the fact Hleb didn’t.
but luck may run out sometimes. especially after that Eduardo incident. the instant remark i made after Eduardo ’s injury - i said that it wouldn’t gone unnoticed, perhaps FA wouldn’t give a damn, but the skillful players like Hleb, Ronaldo will not forget.
among our players, perhaps because of the nature of their game, being a dribbler, like hleb, rosicky and van persie, they took a lot of knocks in a match.
if i were them i would be thinking to myself how long before i end up like Eduardo?
the first couple seasons after he joined us, Hleb often gave me an impression as a nice guy on the pitch. but this season, even before the Eduardo injury, u could see he started getting frustrated by all those physical challenges.
it’s the same with Bergkamp and Pires at the past. they were both known as Mr. Nice Guys when first joined. later on they were not as nice on the pitch weren’ they?! they had learned a way to protect themselves. and most significantly, that didn’t make them quit the English game.
so despite i understand why Hleb may want to leave, if he does opt for the easy way out, he’s still a loser to me. just like Reyes.
it’s very simple - quitter never wins.
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Got them from memory. Prove me wrong.
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Oh right, that is why Hleb is still in limbo. Like every transfer takes place in May!
I can’t remember these clubs being linked to such ‘unproductive’ players in the past. Maybe he is not as unproductive as some Arsenal fans are desperately trying to make him out to be. Umm…interesting.
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
@ stag: shut up. am not talking to you.
wenger is bluffing because he wants to get a transfer fee off him…..but a dumbass like you thinks wenger is “desperate” to keep him. wenger is as “desperate” to keep hleb as he was of keeping henry last season.
but ofcourse i dont expect u think logically.
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
ashley was fabulous in the final… irrespective of how much we wanna criticize him he showed he really did mind losing the final last time and played excellently all night to win it ( maybe only for his own self… nothin actually wrong wid it)
maybe they played ronaldo on the left wing to prevent confrontations with cole who has almost always dominated him
jus think that he is better in defensive position than clichy.. not that we really miss him coz clichy has come a far way and has much greater speed… but still there’s a lot that gael can learn from him defensively… (and from evra positionally during attack)
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm
@ mazza: well, fabregas has over 20 assists in all comps this season.
1 of them was to eduardo.
3 of them were to RvP
none of them was to walcott.
2 of them were to bendy.
2 of them to Rosicky.
2 were to hleb.
2 were to gallas.
guess where the other 10 or so went??
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Adebayor goals that were assisted by Cesc:
Tottenham away(Set piece)
Tottenham at home
Reading away
Derby at home
Name any others. I’m all ears.
They seem to give Ashley Young and Fabregas assists for being within 15 yards of every goal.
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:47 pm
soccerfreak: i agree with you. no matter how much anybody wants to despise ashley cole, you just have to admit, he is STILL very, very good. without injuries and on form he is probably still the best LB in the world in my view. clichy is 22, so still has a lot of time. ronaldo cant beat cole in his dreams.
and infact once hleb leaves, i think i will feel FAR less bitter about the whole cashley thing. hleb is absolutely no better than him or anelka or anybody else. that is the modern footballer for you.
the difference though is that when you look at cashley, you know he is an egotistical, driven type of person. he might have a silly personal life but on the pitch you cant take anything from him.
same with diarra, it is obvious that the guy is just plain desperate and obsessive about being the very best, getting the top pay and playing for a top club. completely self-absorbed. no patience for nonsense, but it is all backed up by his ability. when i saw him playing for pompey recently, i just thought goddamn we have lost a champ here.
so for a lot of players, their “cuntishness” is backed up by their driven, selfish personality and the ego that comes from their ability.
looking for more money just doesnt mesh well with hleb’s personality - that implies a selfish streak….and i doubt hleb has any of that. that is why he will always lag behind complete, utter chancers like lampard - in wages and peer based honors.
May 23rd, 2008 at 1:55 pm
nip: I didnt say the FA Cup does not matter. I just said that really for the amount of cash they’ve spent they’d much rather prefer a league title instead or the CL. I fthey were offered a swap without the financial rewards guess what they’d take. Yeah sure.. we’ve been without a trophy 4 years. The FA Cup is a bonus, thats it. Not saying you should ditch it..don’t believe a sportsman can ever do it…but its really just a bonus.
As for Anelka going to RM and Cesc winning it with Arsenal, its slightly different. Cesc would have been an invincible if you may…undroppable if you may. Anelka while definitely scored 2 semifinal goals for Real Madrid..fair enough had 19 appearances in the season and those were the only 2 goals he ever scored for them. So an impact he had and in a key game but its not comparable to what Cesc might have done.
As for Inter Milan..I wont even go there. Its like Lyon in France…sure Roma closed in at the end but without AC and Juve Inter were always going to win. Its like taking ManU and Arsenal out of the league and Chelsea winning the league. Sure they were all equal on points — that way Derby have an equal chance of winning the league only its just mathematical.
LD80K has achieved it IMHO. Pompey’s FA Cup win is about their level. Not good enough for a EPL title but good enough squad to win a cup . LD80K has come in and added something that has helped them seriously ..in many games …and really the divisions dont matter in the FA Cup. That way Barnsley should never have gotten that far..but they did.
So yeah..I stick to my original point. None except LD80K has won anything “subjectively” speaking. Obviously though you can still argue that the medals are all that count and you’re probably right on that score.
Oh and really…apart from a bit of a cackle about Cashley Cole and it being great to poke fun for a minute or two I see nothing to laugh about. All that matters is we lost.
@26:Andez ..dead dead right on Hleb. You only have to look at his frustrating looks all through the second half of the season when he kept getting kicked and getting nothing. Thats a big factor. Wouldn’t go as far as a loser though — Reyes kept complaining and moaning all the time. Atleast Hleb delivered a lot this season…”indirectly” ….
May 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Did you find out where those other ten goals went Fred?
May 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Wenger is very keen to keep Hleb. Losing two of his four best midfielders wasn’t part of the master plan. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.
May 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Got another one. Adebayor’s screamer against Tottenham. See, that’s how stupid and misleading assists are. Even Carlton Cole is quite high on the list.
May 23rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm
So much for us all uniting in hate of Ashley C***.
Looks like it’s business as usual a la the feuding Scousers sketch!
Meanwhile, Stewart Robson has picked Barazite as his youngster to watch.
And get this - Diaby as the ideal replacement for the Flamoney:
THE NEW FLAMINI?
In my view it is Diaby. Some worry that he takes too much time on the ball and can get caught, but I remember him from last year in that role and I thought he was ideal. He breaks up attacks with his ability to get across the field and get tackles in, but he has also got good ability on the ball. His ball manipulation allows him to change the point of attack. Playing against Everton last year he was outstanding in the holding role, even though Arsenal lost 1-0 at Goodison Park.
Hmmmmm.
May 23rd, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I am also with the belief that AW does really want to keep Hleb, not trying to push his value up. From the manager’s point of view, the lesser change to a team, the better. particular when we already had a team which showed tremendous promise the past season, and not that far away from the top.
the way i see it, we are getting very close, at least far more closer than we “expected” back in the summer to challenge for the title. to lose a key player like Hleb would be a step backward, not forward.
nevertheless, the issue here is not whether Hleb is worth to keep or not. cos as far as i m concerned, whether he’s staying or leaving is not really in Arsenal’s hand. it’s all up to him. do not buy the theory we could just play him in reserve and not allowing him to go if he really wants to. things don’t work it this way anymore. it’s a lose lose situation if a club opts to go down this route.
so the ball is on Hleb’s court, we will see how he’s going to do. if he decides to leave, then it doesnt matter how valuable he is to us, it’s meanineless.
@LDE, on Cashley…. definitely, i don’t think when Chelsea moved heaven and earth to buy him, they were only planning to win the FA Cup trophy. likewise, i don’t think when Cashley moved to Chelsea, knowing that he would have upset the whole red and white half of London, he was aiming to move to Stamford Bridge just for a FA Cup medal at the expense of all that.
May 23rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
@ mazza: i cant remember all adebayors goals….but do tell where the other 10 assists are to? i have accounted for all our main goal scorers. crack your brain and try to remember the rest son.
FACT: fabregas has a FAR GREATER assists level than Hleb … 22 to about 6 or 7. According to soccernet, the highest in England, Italy or Spain. And Fabregas has supplied Ade with about a third of his goals and has scored up to double digits - our second highest goalscorer. Twist it however you please.
May 23rd, 2008 at 4:55 pm
ofcourse wenger wants to keep every player who wants to stay ….if henry said no way he wants to stay….wenger would definitely have kept him.
wenger is very conservative in thinking and prefers the familiar…very slow to change.
but believe me, wenger is no dunce…..he knows hleb wants to leave….every dummy watching on tv would know that when he saw hleb girlie slap that random fella.
he wants a TRANSFER FEE. and knowing wenger he probably wont buy anybody till hleb leaves. he does that with every player that leaves the club. that is why it is very important hleb leaves soon.
i dont want this to go down to the last minute like the cole debacle. inter dont have anybody we need.
May 23rd, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Fact # 1: Arsene will determine whether Hleib leaves or not, and if he is leaving, when.
I am sure Arsene would love to have a “HAPPY” Hleib stay to provide continuity, however, I am also sure he will not keep a genuinely disgruntled player unless it’s on the bench to serve as punishment.
If he keeps a disgruntled Hleib and put him on the bench both Arsenal and Hleib suffers as his stock will drop and and so will transfer fees and personal salary demands at a new club.
Hence, if Arsene and Hleib can settle their differences he will stay, if they can’t he will be gone. At this point we can only provide a guess as to the end result and I don’t think even Hleib or Arsene really knows the actual course of action at this point.
I can’t see Arsene allowing Hleib to move until he gets a suitable replacement and this becomes interesting now that Real has shown interest and have a lot of players who could factor into a swap deal between the two clubs.
Fact # 2: All our questions regarding Hleib will be answered before the start of next season.
In the meantime, let’s not go to war over opinions, because they are opinions and not fact.
May 23rd, 2008 at 5:42 pm
only one pt i disagree caribkid, i don’t think there’s any “differences” between AW and Hleb needs to settle. not like they are not getting along. whatever reason Hleb wanna go, Wenger won’t be one of them.
and if the reason is he wants a bigger pay cheque, or other club could allow him to win medal easier, there’s nothing AW could do neither. AW always insists he believes in this side. but if Hleb doesn’t, so be it.
May 23rd, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Don’t you get it? The other ten assists don’t exist, so persist with some more lists, and then maybe we will get the gist and discover the truth behind the stats mist.
May 23rd, 2008 at 6:21 pm
They dont exist? Are you trying to say Fabregas never actually made over 20 assists? it was actually just a “rumor”??? Oh boy!
The same way you were trying to convince us that Tevez was coming “in and out” of the Man U team even though he started over 30 of their league games… LOOOL.
May 23rd, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Prove it to me in the Arsenal America court of law or forever hold your silence.
May 23rd, 2008 at 6:55 pm
And Fred, you do realise how ridiculous most of these assists are don’t you? An example of the utter stupidity of the whole system is Fabregas most likely getting credited with assisting Abou Diaby’s 25 yard screamer against Derby County because he happened to be the last player to pass the ball to him.
So, yes, you might find all these so-called assists but a large chunk of them are so trivial they are effectively reduntant. Gilberto versus Reading. It gets worse!
So, going back to the actual argument, Hleb has been just as important to Adebayor as Cesc is.
May 23rd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
@ 46:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=38886&cc=5901
And NO, assists are not flimsily credited. According to the EPL rules, the player receiving the ball must not take more than two touches of the ball. So if somebody takes the ball and dribbles before scoring it is NOT an assist for anybody.
Jesus……why on earth must you always argue with facts. Now can you forever hold your peace? Thank you!
May 23rd, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Well, Gilberto didn’t take more than two touches of the ball against Reading did he? Neither did Adebayor against Tottenham at White Hart Lane.
So it’s all bullshit.
May 23rd, 2008 at 8:59 pm
What on earth are u arguing about?? What exactly is your problem with Gilberto’s goal against Reading or Ade against Spurs?
Fabregas has WAY more assists than Hleb. Fabregas creates MORE goals than Hleb. FULL STOP. I am sure you wish go into an argument about the “need” for assists. LOOOL.
You have a problem with the assist stat because Hleb is low on it. And you have a problem with the goal stat for the same reason.
Just drop it. Hold your peace!
May 23rd, 2008 at 9:40 pm
I have a problem with it because Fabregas didn’t assist anything. The players who scored the goal did 99.9% of the work. That’s my point, assist stats are misleading.
Anyway, your the one arguing the unarguable. Cesc has set up no more than five goals for Adebayor all season. Instead of facing the truth and going through Ade’s goals- not all that hard by the way- your hiding behind your beloved stats sheet.
May 23rd, 2008 at 9:51 pm
I have no time to go to watch a DVD of all 30 of Adebayor’s goals. Fabregas has assisted for over 10 of his goals. Even if you I showed you, you wont stop arguing - so whats the point.
Anytime you stand up against stats you fall flat. Just the same way you tried to “trick” us into thinking Tevez was an “in and out” player. When I got tired of hearing that and checked it up, and viola, it shows Tevez had started over 30 games.
By the way, if the scorer does 99.9% of the work, then people like Hleb, who score 2 per season, are completely pointless arent they? LOL.
May 23rd, 2008 at 10:04 pm
In those particular goals 99.9% work was done by the strikers. You really don’t pay attention at all do you?
You won’t be able to show me Fabregas assisting Adebayor more than ten times because it didn’t happen. And by refusing to provide evidence your admitting it.
Your like Wenger over Hleb, all words with no meaning or substance!
May 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 pm
So with the “99.9%” what is your point? It is no longer an assist? LOL. Say anything to make Hleb look better.
Nobody keeps records of where each player gets his assist from - so no table to show you. I have no time to waste watching all Ade’s goals just to please a chump like you. I have however shown you a table with the number of Cesc’s assists and shown you his assists to other players - who have scored fewer goals. Subtract that from his total and viola you get the Adebayor number.
You do not need to be a genius to calculate that mazza. LOL.
Fabregas outperforms Hleb on ALL barometers.
May 24th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Whether Fabregas outperforms Hleb in an overall context is not the issue.
Fabregas outperforms Hleb on all barometers? What, Two?LOL.
Fabregas has not assisted Ade more than five times. Just accept it or go through the goals.
Of course, you base everything on stats anyway so even if your eyes telll you something different you’ll still hold the stats sheets lovingly to your chest and shout out ’say it ain’t so!”LOL.
May 24th, 2008 at 11:37 am
move over to the new thread.
May 24th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Er, I already have.